Would Ali and Frazier have been too good for Fury and Joshua?

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  1. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    No i am british and you are so wrong Frazier would destroy Bolotniks
     
  2. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I do not think that Bolotņiks might beat Frazier from 70 ies. He was small for CW and looks smaller than Frazier too.

    Yarde he for sure might beat up but Frazier from 70 ies looks was too much for him. Also a bit too large. Boltoņiks with 0 problems makes 175 lbs limit and is good in long fights last rounds, this means low dehydration level before weight ins. At least usually.
     
  3. kim_jong_un

    kim_jong_un Member banned Full Member

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    I didn't ask you about being Latvian, I asked Surrix. But when it comes to Frazier, then yes, I believe Bolotniks would beat him. Frazier has no footwork, no defence, just nothing. Just a crude slugger. A smaller, weaker version of Chisora.
     
  4. kim_jong_un

    kim_jong_un Member banned Full Member

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    I'd say Bolotniks makes Ali look bad. Ali wins an ugly decision.
     
  5. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    Dont want to insult you but your knowledge is laughable.Frazier is an atg .Bolotniks is a nobody in world terms
     
  6. kim_jong_un

    kim_jong_un Member banned Full Member

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    Frazier is considered an ATG because he fought in an era before the late 80's and early 90's. I'm talking H2H.
     
  7. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    lol! Couldn`t see a light heavy taking Shavers shots or stopping Foreman.
     
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Frazier`s head movement wa better than AJ`s, he was constantly bobbing and weaving on the way in while AJ`s head is too stationary, Frazier slipped more shots v Ali than AJ has in any of his fights.
     
  9. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    If you seriously think Bolotniks beats Frazier then you are either completely deluded or young and foolish
     
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  10. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Size impacts and effects ability.
     
  11. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, any pro boxer is a nobody by world terms, cope with it.
    Pro boxers are entertainers and they are nobodies if compare with dudes like Gates etc.
    So eat your pro boxing souce till death and post in forums.
    Well, Bolotņiks is too small even for CW but Huck and 30-33 y.o Briedis versions had beated up out all crap from damn overvalued Ali 70 ies version, not alone Frazier.

    You maybe also think that very big name matters more than reality and normal sense not delusions ?

    The same Wilder does have almost 0 legacy if compare with Patterson and this is real fact, dont be daft.
    Still if Wilder had him in the ring, Patterson was out of the ring.
    And Spong under K-1 rules had delivered Wilder in ICU.
     
  12. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    I think AJ’s height, reach, skill, speed and power are enough to beat fotc Ali, who was getting beaten up by JOE FRAZIER! You know how easy a fight with Frazier would be for AJ and Fury
     
  13. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As much as i believe boxing evolves, i dont believe that. Usyk is physical proof Ali would be able to compete and probably beat modern super heavyweights. Usyk gave Wladimir Klitschko the work in sparring in preperation for Tyson Fury if i remember correctly. Joshua got schooled by Erislsandy Savon in the Olympics and is known to have trouble with shorter fighters. Fury had a tough time pinning down 210lb Steve Cunningham because of Cunninghams movement and small size and Fury got put on his ass too. And Cunningham is no Ali.

    You also have the case of Frazier beating Buster Mathis who weighed in at over 240lb for their fight. Mathis was obese but he was still skilled and he still had fast hands as shown in his highlights. Ruiz is even shorter than Mathis and look what he did to AJ.

    I think both would beat Frazier but Ali is a different story. Ali may have lost to Smokin Joe but he was past his prime by that point due to prison time and styles make fights. Frazier was all wrong for Ali.

    Classic Forum fanboys do overrate old fighters and claim thing like "sub 200 pounders like Floyd Patterson and Rocky Marciano beat Fury and Joshua" and i laugh. But in this case i think Ali beats them.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Briedis doesn`t punch harder than Foster,
    Foster, a rangy 6-foot-3 boxer-puncher, was a wrecking machine of a light heavyweight champion. He made a then-division record 14 defenses in his six-year reign of terror, scoring 10 stoppages (often of the chilling KO variety).
    BEST JAB – Muhammad Ali – It wasn’t that powerful but it kept you off balance. It’s hard to get away from a fast, snappy jab. Ali was the only guy I fought who had a good jab.
    BEST CHIN – Ali – I have to go with Ali because I caught him with a good right hand on the chin, I wobbled him, he could have been faking, but I don’t think he was. I know I shook him but he came back out of it quick.

    FASTEST HANDS – Ali – Again, I’m going to have to go with Ali, he was tremendous for a heavyweight. They were as fast as grease lightening. He’d clown and move, the guy was a tremendous fighter. Faster than any light heavy Foster met.
    FASTEST FEET – Ali – He has it all, he was tremendous. You saw him do the Ali shuffle; he could move in his prime. He didn’t start slowing up ’till he got a little age on him. When I fought him he was in his prime. You look at him he’s right there in front of you, the next thing you know he’s on the right hand side of you, then the left, he just kept moving on you. Faster than any light heavy Foster fought.
    SMARTEST – Ali – I dominated them light heavyweights, none of them were smarter than me. I’ve got to go Ali – the guy could fight. He was a good fighter, good boxer, good mover; he wasn’t that much of a puncher.

    STRONGEST – Joe Frazier – (Laughs) Smokin’ Joe Frazier. He was strong, he just kept coming to you. When he got in on you he’d kill that body. I tried to stay away from him, use my reach on him but that didn’t do any good. He kept moving and slipping his head, putting that pressure on.

    BEST PUNCHER – Frazier – (Laughs) I’d say Joe Frazier. I hit Frazier in the first round with a right hand and buckled his knees and the bell rang, when we went back to the corner his trainer was mad and yelling at him ‘What the heck did I tell you? Didn’t I tell you you couldn’t give this tall skinny guy punching room, he’ll knock your f___ing brains out. Get on top of him.’ So I told my trainer ‘This guy’s crazy, he’s trying to box me. I’m going to knock him out this round.’ My trainer said, ‘Whatever you do, don’t pull back on this guy.’ We went out the second round and everything just changed, he started putting that pressure on me. I never did like pressure. He got me on the ropes, it was a habit of mine, I’d pull in and pull out real fast, I guess he timed it and I got hit by that left hook and I don’t remember nothing else after that! (Laughs). I was in the dressing room putting on my shoes, one of my trainers pulled them off and I’m putting them back on and he said ‘What are you doing?’ I said ‘I’m getting ready to fight.’ He said ‘Bobby, the fight’s over with.’ I said, ‘What do you mean?’ He said ‘He knocked you out.’ I said ‘On National TV?’ He said ‘Yeah.’ And I started crying, ‘Oh God, everybody saw me get knocked out.’ (Laughs)

    BEST SKILLS – Ali – He’s fast for a big man, he’s never in one place for long, he’s always moving, he’s not that easy to hit.

    BEST OVERALL – Ali – Muhammad Ali. He was the man. He was big, fast; he was smart and never did get hit easy.
     
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  15. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Boxing hasn`t evolved but AJ is far bigger than he was in the amateurs and would destroy a prime Savon now.