[1974] Tunney: Dempsey kos Ali in 1 round, Greb makes a fool out of Ali

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Interesting interview.

    Tunney: Foreman in 2, New York Daily News, October 27, 1974


    “Gene Tunney, who has been the quiet man of boxing ever since he retired as world heavyweight champion in 1928, opened up on Muhammad Ali yesterday when someone asked him for a prediction on the Ali-Foreman title bout set for Tuesday.

    ‘Foreman will knock him out in two rounds,” said the 76-year-old former champ. Dempsey would have done it in one round. A lot of the old champions could have beaten this fellow Ali.


    “Harry Greb would have made a fool out of him. He was the best boxer-puncher of them all.’


    How about a fellow named Gene Tunney?

    “I believe I could have beaten Ali. I was smarter and I think I punched a little harder than Ali does.’

    Tunney said his opinion was not personnal [sic]. He does not dislike Ali, nor is he enchanted with Foreman.

    Not Dedicated Enough

    “Foreman is a big, strong young man who hasn’t yet reached his potential,’ claims Tunney. ‘If he set his mind to boxing, he probably could be one of the greatest ever. He is not dedicated enough.’

    Tunney gave his opinions after watching a preview of ‘The Heavyweight Championship,’ a special 45-minute film produced especially for showing at the Garden previous to the closed circuit screening of the Foreman Ali title fight.

    ‘I’m not saying all of the former champions were better than today’s modern champions, like Marciano and Louis and Joe Frazier. Boxing, like every other sport has progressed through the years.

    ‘The track stars we have today are better than those of Charley Paddock’s day, aren’t they? The baseball and football players are better, too. Red Grange and Bronko Nagurski might not make it if they were trying to football teams.

    ‘Sure, there aren’t as many fighters around today as there were in my day. But the ones who are around , for the most part, are better than most of the old timers.

    Just watching this film proves all that. The fighters who were around from 1929 to 1945, fellows like Jack Sharkey, Max Schmeling, Dempsey, Louis and myself, would have had an easy time with the Sullivans and the Corbetts and the Johnsons. Dempsey proved that with Willard, didn’t he?

    ‘Athletes get better with each era, no matter what sport it is. Ali is now the last of the most recent era. Foreman is the beginning of a new era. His time will come, too. Some younger will come out of the woods somewhere and knock him out some day.”
     
  2. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    He obviously suffered from senility.
     
  3. BlackCloud

    BlackCloud I detest the daily heavyweight threads Full Member

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    Seriously, that is right up there with Arcel saying that Dempsey would beat Tyson in 1 or 2 rounds or whatever it was.
     
  4. The Long Count

    The Long Count Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually what he says makes a lot of sense. Perhaps he held a slight bias against Ali or was pro his own era (like most fighters are) but for the most part he was objectionable.
    He was right to say that athletes tend to get bigger strong faster. And that the old era gets picked off by the new. Ali however had a will of steel and George as Tunney predicted was not dedicated and looked winded by round 2.
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Greb-Ali would be astonishing :lol:
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    His prediction on Foreman Ali we can test at least!
     
  7. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    Tunney thought Joe Louis could outjab a gorilla.

    Tunney was considered in his day the heavyweight champion with literary and intellectual pretensions.
    Also, he was obviously a moron.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol:
     
  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes, apart from that he had some good points.

    And most fighters that I see talk about this kind of thing says their generation of fighters would beat the current. Tunney at least said that the then current era overall was beter than his own. Only that the guys he beat, and of course himself, were absolute standouts. :)
     
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  10. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Nah,...more like "old timerism".
     
  11. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    He has a little something here for everyone to like, and everyone to hate.
     
  12. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tbf, gorillas aren't known for their jabs. Was he talking about a gorilla who had had some boxing training or one who was completely new to the sport?
     
  13. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Good little read, nice one.
     
  14. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Every generation does the same. The 90/2000s guys criticize this generation all the time. As did the 70s before etc etc. they wouldn’t be alpha males if they didn’t.
     
  15. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Sign of a good story teller.