Judge Who Robbed Gonzalez Suspended

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  1. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    As per the WBA website.

    "The World Boxing Association (WBA), through its Officials Committee, will evaluate the performance of judge Carlos Sucre during last Saturday’s bout between Juan Francisco “Gallo” Estrada and Roman “Chocolatito” Gonzalez.

    The president of the pioneer organization, Gilberto Jesus Mendoza, made the request to the Committee while Sucre will remain temporarily suspended.

    The WBA officials’ evaluation will be done thoroughly and Sucre will be given the opportunity to explain the situation in order to make a definitive decision on this case.

    “I asked the Officials Committee to evaluate the fight although I think it is not necessary. It was a great fight, very close. We have to respect “Gallo” Estrada, who made a great effort. In this case the judges favored him, however I sent a temporary suspension while Sucre is heard, because big shows and fights like this one do not deserve the kind of score he gave. His decision was misguided yesterday,” said Mendoza.

    The WBA will inform in due time about the process that has just started and what the decision will be."
    https://www.wbaboxing.com/boxing-ne...ce-in-the-estrada-gonzalez-fight#.YE68NuhKg2w

    Additional source:
    https://www.news.com.au/sport/boxin...o/news-story/be658ff84b7a52661a0a51caaae5ddbd

    Judge Carlos Sucre, an American judge born in Venezuela scored the deciding vote for Estrada last night 117-111 with the last five rounds going to Estrada.

    You guys think we'll see some justice, or will he be free and clear to offend again in a week like all the others?
     
    OvidsExile, Mar 14, 2021
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  2. sasto

    sasto Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Of all the cards for them to investigate, not sure about this one since it's not obvious what the correct score or even who the correct winner is.
     
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I mean there have been dozens of worse scorecards in the last year alone - but yeah I do think Sucre was dead wrong (especially having Estrada sweeping the last five, Jesus) and the result would've been a lot easier to swallow had it even been a UD for Estrada but with more reasonable scores of 115-113 x3.
     
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  4. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Needs banning along with most of the Vegas judges
     
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  5. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is ridiculous.

    As much as I disagree with Sucre's scorecard he was only a couple of rounds off from a very credible card.
     
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  6. BoxMan10

    BoxMan10 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yea needs 2 year suspension
     
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  7. Boomstick

    Boomstick Active Member Full Member

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    Agreed. I think his score was wide, but every freaking round was very close. Some beyond close. I’m all for holding jusges accountable, but have been so many worse cards that didn’t result in this sort of action. So many more deserving cards. Strange.
     
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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Or how about had he just scored the proper rounds for Estrada, and he would have came to the same result. Clearly he wasn't watching the match very closely, or had it filled out in advance.... Roman won at least 2 to 3 of the last 6 rounds. So while he might be crooked, his final score was fine.
     
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  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you had it your way, there'd be no judges left in Nevada because they'd all be banned lol.
     
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  10. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Carlos Sucrose should never be allowed to judge a title fight again.
     
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  11. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This is some over the top SJW-cancel-culture type BS.
     
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  12. Stiff Jab

    Stiff Jab Despiser of Super-Middleweights Full Member

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    It's the sweep that makes it especially egregious, as in those 5 rounds alone were at least two that were clearly Gonzalez rounds. Score those correctly and his scorecard becomes more palatable. It just reeks of corruption scumminess. You're right that there have been worse scorecards and decisions in the last year alone, but "straw that breaks the camel's back" and whatnot. Too many people like Gonzalez too much to not have some kind of response.

    Not that it will achieve anything in tthe grand scheme of things, but one can vainly hope.
     
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  13. Robney

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    I strongly disagree with the card, but this seems more like a token gesture as worse scorecards emerge every other week in WBA sanctioned fights.
    Just look at Saludar vs Paradero (WBA straw) fight from last month. 116-112/115-113/110-118
    What happened to that judge? As that was an infinitely worse card!
     
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  14. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    Apparently, this isn't the guy's first time handing in a card like this. From the scene:
    "Sadly, Saturday’s bout was not his first questionable performance.

    Sucre was part of a judging panel who had Ali Akhmedov ahead on all three scorecards at the time of his suffering a 12th round knockout loss to Carlos Gongora last December at Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Florida. With stoppage rounds still scored according to Florida rules, Sucre had the previously unbeaten Akhmedov ahead 116-109—a ridiculous 10 rounds to two and including the two knockdowns suffered by Akhmedov at the time of the stoppage. Judges Fred Fluty and James Geb O’Connor had the bout 114-112 apiece, which meant Gongora would have lost a decision had the bout gone the distance."
     
    OvidsExile, Mar 15, 2021
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  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    You mean, accurate cards like this?
    That fight was pretty easy to score. Gongora SHOULD have lost the decision had it gone to the scorecards.

    With the 7th and 10th being swing rounds. His card was arguably a point wider than it should have been.
     
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