How Hard Is A Klitschko Fight For Joe Louis?

10

 

i'd score a 4 (for each brother) meaning that i would pick Joe over the brothers, but everyone would know they had been in a fight. Joe did well against big men, but these big men are a cut above. Both can punch, Vitali is the more durable, Wlad the better boxer. I could see both brothers going the distance with the Bomber. If Joe tags Wlad early, ala Corrie Sanders, he could score an early stoppage. Rather than a pier-six brawl, I believe all these men would be aware and respectful of each other's talents and skills and would therefore expect the fights to be more along tactical lines.

 

I think both men would present a difficulty level of about 8-9. I favor him against both klits but they would be extremely difficult opponents

 

This stipulation is a game-changer.

 

A very dangerous fight for Louis , but just as dangerous
for the Klitschko brothers. Especially if they enter the
ring over-confident because of their size advantage.
I'll go with an 8 each way.

 

Unless he changes his style, Wlad Ko's him in 4.

Vitali and Louis would be a good fight, although Vitiali is better H2H overall than his brother, his style and Joe's matchup well.

Vitali almost goes down, but finally catches Louis and takes him out in 10 rounds.

Joe is too stationary for both brothers to last the distance.

 

Keep seeing posts on the Classic Board about Joe Louis destroying all of the new fighters. Isn't it strange that two of the three "dominant" fighters that the Classic Board thinks are unbeatable, Johnson and Louis were the first two black guys to get title shots and then they dominated against fighters who had stiff legs, fought like robots and had little athletic ability? And since then, the only fighter the Classic Board holds in similar esteem is Ali. Maybe that has a lot to do with who Johnson and Louis and Ali were fighting?

In the 60s, Ali's opposition was smaller, slower, weaker, etc. Ali's competition from Frazier on would have kept anyone from having a long, dominant championship reign. And the competition just gets better as time passes and as boxing becomes more of a world sport. Johnson, Louis, and Ali NEVER fought anybody SIMILAR to Lewis, Fury, Joshua, Wilder, Tyson, Usyk, the K Brothers, Holyfield, Bowe, and a lot more. They dominated their eras, but their eras didn't have the type fighters who came along later. Beating Sharkey, or Jeffries, or Folley is not like fighting Mike Tyson or Lennox Lewis or Tyson Fury. Different eras, different type of athlete.

Johnson, Louis, and Ali might have adapted but they would have to adapt to a faster, stronger, bigger, and better athlete, they would not be physically dominant like they were in their eras.

 

Which fighters of the more modern era were that those guys fought are like Muhammad Ali?

 

Both Klitschkos would be very crappy matchups for him.

Wlad because he's a rangey technical fighter with a tremendous jab of his own. He uses distance to nullify attacks which means it will be harder for Joe to get off his combinations. While Wlad's combination punching is not nearly in the class of Louis, he uses a technical game to slow a match down and to use thudding power shots to stop incoming attacks. He's particularly successful against smaller guys and Louis qualifies as a very small guy on the spectrum of fighters Wlad has faced. Frankly I think Wlad keeps it at range, treats Louis like a live handgrenade and picks Louis to pieces.

Vitali is a horrible matchup for similar size reasons, but also because he's an awkward and deceptively difficult guy to land on. He'd have no problems in fighting Louis off the backfoot while working the jabs and chopping overhands constantly. Louis' best bet would be to use his own formidable jab to disrupt Vitali with, since he's going to have problems getting set to unload his combinations. Even if he does get off, Vitali probably has the finest chin at HW I've seen bar freaks like McCall. And he's so damn big and busy.

I wouldn't favour him beating either brother, frankly.

 

Or if we compare fighters Louis beat Vs Klitschkos beat

Primo Carnera Vs Kubrat Pulev
Max Schmeling Vs Ruslan Chagaev
Buddy Baer Vs Corrie Sanders
Billy Conn Vs Chris Byrd
Jersey Joe Walcott Vs David Haye

I don't think the "different level of athlete" holds up at all.

 

I think Wlad's the harder fight, he's a much better fighter than Vitali. Just not as tough. If he isn't shitting himself, he has the size, jab and power to deal with Louis and make him weary of attacking. His clinch game would also bother Louis. If he isn't shitting himself. Even if he isn't, I still think he'd lose. Thirty-six, or forty-five minutes is a long time to avoid being caught by Louis. And I don't think Wlad can do it. If he is shitting himself - which he will be - Louis willc carve him up with ease.

Vitali has some of the aspects of Wlad, but he doesn't have the power and he's slower. Louis would out-jab him, set up his power punches, and either avoid, take or counter Vitali's arm punches. Louis is absolutely capable of stopping him, but I suppose that's not a likely bet.