How Hard Is A Klitschko Fight For Joe Louis?

I would have to say as tough as it gets, for him or anybody else.

 

Vitali vs Louis would be like a higher level Dempsey Vs Willard. . Vitali's hands down style and non-existent defense would spell disaster against a devastating sharp shooter like Louis.
Important to note that Vitali has no power on his punches when he's moving backwards therefor Louis can take plenty of risks as he moves forward to pummel Vitali from every angle.

Wlad fares the worst as his octopus grab style is completely the wrong approach to have against Louis. He would need to keep Louis away from his fragile mental and physical state but the octopus grab wasn't designed to keep guys on the outside.
Its a close quarters method of defense. Its also illegal and would be forbidden in a fair matchup.
But Joe Lousi is the wrong guy to try and hold so even his main method of success would not steer him to victory against Louis.
He has to keep him on the outside but he just wasn't good enough for that.

Not opinion , fact. . See the Povetkin debacle for evidence.

Also see here.

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Look how he missed low level Peter with two jabs ^ He had to come in with the octopus grab to keep safe.... . Bad tactics to have against Joe Louis
If you don't have an inside game and are made out of glass , you are simply goosed against Louis

 

The man couldn't even keep fumbling Sam Peter at the end of a jab. Fact , not opinion.

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Tough fight for Joe obviously because of the huge size disadvantage.He would do better against Vitali

 

Super Heavyweights are the only specimen of fighters to go completely noodle legs when their long arms don’t keep the haymakers away.

I would refer to the Louis - Simon fight. Relax, breath. I’m not saying Simon is anywhere near the same class as the Klitschkos. Seriously, breath.

The Simon fight shows me what would make Louis a special threat against SHWs. He was perfectly positioned to take advantage of every inch that Abe gave him. “Be like water,” is an overly cliche Bruce Lee quote that doesn’t really apply to boxing, but Louis really was like water in that fight. The amount of work Louis was able to do in the time span of one Abe Simon jab was magic.

My prediction:
Louis KO Wlad 7
Louis TKO Vitali 10

 

Carnera wasn’t athletic?

The NBA and NFL have amazing athletes. Nate Robinson was one of them. How did that translate in the ring?

And that begs the question: what percentage of a boxer’s success is owed to their athleticism, and what percentage is owed to their boxing ability?

 

It's a tough night for Louis if he steps in the ring with either of them ... But there's decades upon decades of boxing evolution and change between the K bros and Joe Louis

I don't think he beats either of them ... Maybe he can catch Wlad but Vitali is going to be hell for someone with Louis style when taking in the discrepancies in size

 

It would be extremely hard, I wouldn't be surprised if he lost to both of them. That said, I believe that Joe would find a way to overcome physical disadvantages. It's not like Klitschkos didn't lose to small men.

 

Exactly how were Wlad and Vitali more evolved than Louis?

What can they do in the ring that Joe couldn't? I don't understand what you mean by evolution.

Joe Luis wrote the book on how to box. Literally . The book is still relevant today.

https://www.amazon.com/Joe-Louis-How-Box/dp/1581607156

Even GGG was credited for fighting in a style similar to Joe Luis.

https://www.amazon.com/Joe-Louis-How-Box/dp/1581607156

In fact the very basic boxing style of Klitschkos has actually devolved , not evolved.

Guys of the past would never struggle to keep a club leveller like Sam Peter at the end of their jab.

Look how far Wlads performance against Peter and Povetkin has devolved from Holmes performances against Shavers

 

IMO Louis does better against Vitali. Wlad has the better fundamentals and power. Chances are Wlad catches Louis .

 

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Louis beat Carnera, who although didn't look like it, was actually one of the greatest boxers of all time, according to ESB revisionism, and a couple clips of him doing things semi-correctly (even if he still looked like the uncoordinated oaf he was in reality). Neither Klit would be a problem for him on that basis.

 

Denialism at its finest and one of the reasons why cross-era comparisons are ineffective, because all rationality goes out of the window.

The icing on the cake is your certainty, not even hypothesis, that the small Louis would out jab Vitali Klitschko who had great upper body movement in addition to the enormous size advantage. Considering Vitali was never out-jabbed enough to lose more than 8 rounds in his entire career, your interesting foresight appears to be more in hope rather than expectation.

Louis obviously has a better chance of stopping Wladimir, because he has been stopped before by mediocre opposition. I believe in unicorns as much as I believe in Louis being capable of stopping Vitali, who was never down in his career. How is the 210lbs Louis going to handle being hit by a prolific puncher like the 250lbs (and athletic) Vitali Klitschko from the first bell?

That isn't to say that Louis is less of a boxer, obviously, and that is why these cross-era matchups are innately pointless (aside from the usual denialism) when there is too much of a gap in time. A different environment breeds a different sport, and although there is not a linear relationship between time and evolution of the quality of sport, there is a marked difference in knowledge and even physiology when a comparison between boxers of a 50-70 year disparity is drawn.

Also, your conception of a better "fighter" is an interesting one. And you should probably be careful with your terminology. Firstly, Wladimir is not a better fighter than Vitali. As I believe you have used this term interchangeably with "boxer", I won't address it further, because it is obvious that Vitali is a born fighter, whereas Wladimir is not. Their careers are (seemingly re: Wladimir) finished, and there is a body of evidence to support this claim. Just because Wladimir has a technically more textbook arsenal does not make him a better boxer, either. The aim of boxing, like any sport, is to do whatever it takes to win while adhering to governance and rules. Vitali did that better than Wladimir, because he only lost 8 rounds in his entire career, was never down and his only two losses were brought about not by being worse in the traditional sense, but by injuries. His shoulder injury had nothing to do with being inferior to Byrd, and he made a decision to prolong his career (as a man of knowledge and who holds a doctorate in Sports Science, I'd wager that he knows a thing or two, if not in his PhD thesis the education which took him up to that point would have included physiology and sports injuries). Secondly, the cut administered by Lewis was more in fortune than in skill, as it was a grazing cut which did not cause the skin to hit against the bone. In other words, it was a punch that almost missed.

On the other hand, Wladimir lost to mediocre opposition in Puritty, Sanders and Brewster, as well as being outboxed by Fury and outfought by Joshua. Although I will concede that the bout against Joshua may actually enhance his reputation, the first four simply cannot. These losses cannot be swept under the carpet because he managed to go on a very well managed reign, defeating short, old or blown up opponents in a way which was less convincing than his brother did. Vitali also spent 4 years out of the ring during his prime due to a knee injury which affected him thereafter.

A "straighter right hand" or a more "crisp jab" does not equate to him being a "better boxer", when the end result does not support this statement. Moreover, Vitali did not clinch his opponents to death when they got inside. He fought them off at close quarters - a skill that Wladimir lacked and a skill that is very much respected by boxing fans - but not when the argument does not suit. He also did not benefit from dodgy refereeing. Whereas one earned the respect of the American boxing public, the other was ushered out in quick fashion.

Vitali is the superior of the two brothers.

 

@KidDynamite in terms of skill how were klitschkos more evolved than Louis?
Waiting on an answer

 

It isn't...