Is Oleksandr Usyk ducking Joe Joyce?

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  1. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe he is not willing to sue ppl.
    In reality he should had demand title shot and threat to sue in the same month when he had been declared as mandatory.
     
  2. MarvelousMarvinGolovkin

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    Usyk probably just wants more money lol
    I don't blame him either, Why fight Joyce who has almost no payoff?
    If Usyk fights someone with a belt even if he loses he'll be getting a lot of money.
     
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  3. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For WBSS fights this was less risky by means of judgement cos Saureland didn't used local refs and judges.
    From risk point yea, prime Briedis was horrible in clinch and still beats hard and yeah, fight vs Gassiev in Russia had been a bit delayed cos Usyk's elbow problems.
    I think this was beginning for their both decline.

    Usyk also fought undefeated prime Hunter in U.S and this Hunter looked unknown danger.
    If with Briedis they at least does have common things like ppl in ukraine in Klit brothers etc, despite Briedis isn't classic eastern euro amateur background boxer, this does help to know how to deal.
    Hunter was more less researched and therefore too there for him was risk.
     
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  4. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    or very big name without belt. then too a lot of money might come in.
     
  5. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Pulev team did this 2 times. The first time was with Klitschko, and then with Joshua, to demand they get their title shot. That may not be pretty, but just look at Whyte for example. The guy lost his spot, by waiting and waiting, and waiting and do nothing.
    There is a rules, they already give Joshua 2 passes in a row, and they warn him that Usyk must be next or they will strip him, and holy sh*** they just give him another pass, for god knows how long.
    Usyk team should have handle this way way better. As i said before, he should have demanded his shot, then Joshua would be strip, and Usyk fight for the real title, not the "interim" belt. And on top of that, he would have have way more ground to get better terms in the contract with Joshua/Fury after, cause he would have a belt under his waist. And not only better terms, but also he would have get a lot more money. First he would have get better money fighting for the title, and then for the unification.
    His team pretty much f****** up.

    But lets remember the fight with Joyce in WSB.
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    And lets have a good laugh at the UK commentators. :D
     
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  6. MarkusFlorez99

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    Getting an Errol Spence vibe
     
  7. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What is funny: A. Both : Usyk and Briedis had fought vs Huck in Germany and for Briedis this was fight in Marco Huck promotion's event.

    For Briedis looks foreign soil helps better: his most notable fights in pro boxing were aboard: vs Charr in Russia, vs Huck in Germany and vs Dorticos in Germany.
    Prime Briedis was amazing, vs Dorticos looked a bit recovered, at least throwed something with maybe 90% .
    He is a bit strange, like no **** talks, pretty respectful but he is like ice fortress. Bolotņiks is more live and natural, simple, honest and humble guy. Briedis. he is humble but cold. Very cold.
     
  8. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Totally agree with your statement about his prime. He suffer several injuries that obviously accelerated his decline.
    I watch all of Usyk fights and watched him very closely and its quite obvious he is past it. Its quite obvious that his speed, explosiveness, footwork and mostly his reflex, are just not the same. I think his punch output start dropping as well, which means that his energy is lower.

    Anyway i think Usyk made a big mistake moving to HW, at his advance age. It was very bad decision. Its a 3 years since he moved, and he have just 2 fights. Changing your weight class at 31 is just a very bad decision.
    He waste so much time, and could have like 5-6 fights in the time he wasted.
    Gassiev has mad the same mistake and waste so much time of his prime years. He also suffer injury after injury.
     
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  9. The Clan

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    OH dear!
    I’m sure no one intends to hurt your sensitive nature so no need to sink to silly juvenile insults.

    Usyk gets all the respect he can handle as a Cruiserweight but he has everything to prove at Heavyweight!
    At Heavyweight he’s done nothing yet so it is pure arrogance to make such ridiculous demands to face another fighter who has in fact done much much more as a professional Heavyweight boxer than Usyk has.
     
  10. The Clan

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    Which is ridiculous diva behaviour for a man who’s done the square root of f/all as a Heavyweight!
    Especially against another fighter who’s done 5X more as a Pro Heavyweight Boxer
     
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  11. _Scott_

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    That fight happened 4,5 years ago and many felt Ruiz was robbed. Since his 2 defeats, he struggled with Winters (KO'd by Babic in 2), Leapai and recently Fa. Joyces wins over Jennings and Dubois are far more impressive. I predict Chisora to KO Parker in May so we will see how that goes, but it is fair to say Joe doesnt deserve a shot at any belt for now.
     
  12. Gatekeeper

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    Probably just a negotiating ploy to get a higher percentage of the purse than Joyce. Start off with ridiculous demands like 93% then appear to be reasonable by lowering it which I believe Usyk will do but in fairness OU does deserve a higher % than Joyce, Usyk is the established name.
     
  13. Surrix

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    Well. I think Usyk at all was lucky that Briedis choosed to take tactique to outbox Oly champ. Unlike for Lopez vs Loma it was not succesful.
    Briedis in amateurs had considerably more credentials in Kickboxing than in boxing. Unlike Usyk who was amateur boxing superstar.

    I had scored this fight even closer than cards were but Usyk had won this one for me. With about 15+ more jabs connected thats all.
    This was hardest fight in Usyk's life and till today. Even fight vs Gassiev had been delayed.

    Then Briedis did not had impactful promoter and scoring was not impatced.
    WBSS2 is different era with better promotion for Briedis.

    From one point yeah, Briedis did not had landed on him anything enough properly.
    From other point after short contact Usyk fall down ( slip ) and if he had decided to steamroll Usyk not to fool him and outbox, then.
    And Usyk clearly had lost both last rounds.
    It was what is was. Usyk did not had won this one if this was 15 rounds fight.

    Well, but for Usyk this WBSS tournament was opportunity to unify belts and get trophy.
    After defeating Glowacki, an undefeated legit champ in Poland he was WBO World Champion.
    That's all.
    I do not think that he as avoided boxer might had unfied belts without WBSS tournament.
    Like Briedis too, he was avoided fighter at HW and at least looks that for CW his xxxx had enough money to get fights.
    Without WBSS nor Usyk nor Briedis nor Dorticos were known in this measure like today.

    Gassiev too, he is young, does have more resources than 30 and 30+ lads.
    No belt in CW. Dangerous. Not a mandatory. It is not easy, so maybe try luck in HW?
    Dorticos too I think didn't had get champ belt again without WBSS2 tournament.
    Like not enough popular, despite he KOs people and is really watchable and brave boxer.
    Briedis in some fights might be boring, in some brilliant to watch, Dorticos NEVER is boring.


     
  14. N17

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    Usyk was asking to fight AJ but now ducking Joe Joyce?


    Come on, behave yourselves.
     
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  15. lordlosh

    lordlosh Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Read the whole thing and what me and he have to say, and then answer. Not just catch a 1 sentence.
    Again this is BOXING, Usyk does not move from Kickboxing to Boxing and demanding a title shot.
    He was a division lower. And he earned his shot, like it or not.

    Its funny cause this things happen all the time in lower division, a champions or established top fighters move up in the weight division and get a title shot, and people have no problem with it, or with their demands.
    I just don`t see a problem on here.
     
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