Alexis Arguello vs Julio Caesar Chavez at 130 lbs, 15 rounds, both peak.

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  1. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    A thrilling matchup. I didn't see much of Chavez at 130, though he was dominant there.
    Alexis was a monster at this weight. As said, he reached his zenith here. I see this going the distance, maybe with Arguello being just a bit too much for Chavez at this weight.
    It would definitely be an epic, epic fight though; almost certainly a fight of the year candidate.
     
  2. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Let's see. If Arguello made it to the 14th round with Pryor as a fading champion venturing into a division whch further slowed him, I'd say Arguello's chances are quite good.

    Chavez was no Aaron Pryor nd on top of that I wonder about Leonard's statement "I dont know where Aaron got the energy from"

    A VERY astute observation consdiering who was in his corner

    so with all that considered, I, without hestitation, like Arguello's chances in this one

    The problem is, I've never seen Chavez actually beat another great fighter in his prime
    He had help beating Taylor
    He didnt come anywhere close to beating Pernel
    The last time Camacho was close to his prime was 5 years previous
    He lost twice to De LaHoya - twice by tko and you think Arguello wont stop him?

    Who did he really beat? Rosario who already lost to Camacho & Ramirez?

    The most probable outcome is Arguello picks him apart and ends with a violent late rounds
    tko
     
  3. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Great post 88!
     
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  4. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was. And it makes the point that you can't say peak Chavez then put the weight at 130lbs.

    It wasn't his optimum weight and he was still a work in progress at 130.

    Peak Chavez came at 135 or early in his days at 140 for me. Better weight for him and he had more experience at that point. Alexis on the other hand was around 27 and had nine years of seasoning by the time he fought for the SFW title.

    So this is a close fight where I'd favour the more experienced and natural 130lber - Arguello. But it wouldn't be a walk in the park. 130lbs is where Julio started building the legacy that had a lot of people proclaiming him as the best ever Mexican. That may have been stretching it but it wasn't - isn't, even - a shocking statement. Think what that means. Best ever Mexican. Nobody, not even prime Alexis Arguello, walks through a fighter given even passing consideration for that accolade.
     
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  5. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Arguello was a machine at super feather/lightweight
    but so was Chavez TBH. This would be a tough go for
    both men.
    I'll lean to Arguello here. Arguello would have
    3"height and 6" reach advantage. This would
    be hugh when considering how Chavez fought.
    Also Arguello would be very capable of going
    into Chavez's backyard and competing
    with him, that's the inside game, where
    Chavez usually dominates.
    Arguello was a better puncher .
    I believe after 10-11 rd Chavez would began
    to relent , realizing he has to pay a heavy
    toll inside against Arguello.
    This would slow the pace down, Arguello
    goes on to win the championship rds, wins
    a unanimous dec.
     
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  6. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'll go against the grain here and say Arguello UD.
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

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    Arguello is way ahead.
     
  8. apollack

    apollack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Chavez by decision in an entertaining war.

    Check out performances against common opponents: Limon, Castillo, Ramirez.
     
  9. thanosone

    thanosone Love Your Brother Man Full Member

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    Nobody drops prime Chavez at 140 and lower.
     
  10. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    While I have great admiration for both, Alexis Arguello was very tactical at 130 lbs, as well as explosive. When he fought the Snake Man, Alfredo Escalera on Jan 28 1978 to win the WBC Junior Lightweight Title, he nearly tore off Escalera's lip off with punishing left jabs that were very accurate, and horrendous right hands, the result, TKO 13. Julio Caesar Chavez won Hector Macho Camacho's vacant WBS Junior Lightweight Title with a 8th round stoppage of Mario Martinez on Sept 13 1984. While both are heavy handed, I believe that Alexis is much too intelligent to allow Chavez to get inside, keeping him at bay with his long on target left jab. Julio is resilient but Arguello took bombs from heavy fisted Ruben Olivares in 1974 before stopping Olivares in round 13. Remember that Chavez had just won his first major title in 1984, Alexis would go on to win his next title on June 20 1981, defeating Jim Watt. Based on experience and tougher opposition, Alexis takes a unanimous decision. Had the great Salvador Sanchez had lived, he would have moved up to 130 lbs to challenge Arguello, that would have been a very interesting bout, both were boxers with iron chins, both clean fighters, and both very prideful.
     
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  11. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  12. ron davis

    ron davis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Mancini couldn't hit him in the ass.
     
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  13. Jel

    Jel Obsessive list maker Full Member

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    At 130, I’d pick Arguello. At 135, I’d pick Chavez.
     
  14. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What? He fought Limon in 1988 when Limon was shot to bits. He fought Castillo 5 years after Alexis and Castillo wasnt even close to being what he once was.
    Ramirez was winding down after a very long career-he fought only 3 more times winning only one.
     
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  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Chavez KO.

    He was the better, more complete fighter at that weight. Sorry if that hurts.