Joe Louis vs. Abe Simon II

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  1. William Walker

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    1. Louis looked small compared to Simon. And Simon looked big, but not the way Buddy Baer or Carnera had. Baer was tall and rangy and Carnera was super thick like Simon, but he was well-proportioned. Simon was top-heavy. Having read the article on the first Louis-Simon fight (which I'm said isn't on film), Joe looked eager to finish this one. He wasn't as apathetic as usual. The 1st was very even until about 2: 48 of the video Joe landed a left hook and then a right hook, which backed Simon up. Louis quickly followed up with two more rights and a left and Simon was now for sure in trouble. Joe landed repeatedly with overhand rights, and got so uncharacteristically excited for Louis that he fell onto his gloves while throwing a right hand. After Louis got up, Simon charged in, and bulled Louis. It was the right idea, but Simon couldn't execute. Simon was able to make the next of the round and stay out of trouble, but the round was Joe's and handily. Louis.
    2. Joe was no less eager to end the fight in the 2nd. He was throwing bombs as soon as he came out. Early on, Joe snuck in a hard overhand right followed by a left hook, the set up. Shortly after a hard right hand wobbled Simon. Simon was hurt a little bit later by a left hook, and he stumbled into the corner rather clumsily. Joe seemed to take his time ripping him up at that point, but hurt Simon again with the right hand at about 4: 41. Joe was patient though and didn't get too excited. He steadily peppered Simon, and hurt him again at 4: 51 with a good right hook that sent Simon lazily into the ropes. Another right hand at 5: 20 seriously hurt Simon. A left hook and three more right hands finally sent the giant to the canvas, on his knees. Saved by the bell. Louis.
    3. A left-right shook up Simon early. The round went to Joe on the technicality of a low blow by Simon, but Joe took it anyway. What a guy, Louis. He didn't complain about the low blow and acted like nothing even happened. Louis.
    4. This was Abe's best round. Joe allowed him to throw some jabs, meanwhile coasting. The two traded good left hooks at one point. Louis landed a right hand before the bell. Even.
    5. A left-right injured Simon at 11: 10 and Simon turned groggy. He tried to hang on, but a grazing left hook sent him in a backwards direction. Joe continued punishing Simon with numerous hooks. A right hand hurt him AGAIN at 12: 00 of the video, and a second right hand wobbled him badly. Surprisingly, the two traded some hard jabs back and forth for a moment. There was a lull in the action afterwards, but it wasn't over. More punishment was to come. The left-right set Simon up again. Afterwards came a left hook and a right cross, and Simon stumbled into the ropes beside him. A torturous right hand put Simon down in his corner. Again, Simon was saved by the bell. He seems pretty good at that. Louis.
    6. Joe barely had to throw much anymore. Simon was so softened up at this point a tennis ball probably would have KO'd him. Joe threw two light lefts, and a big right hand, which did do it for Simon. The two punches Joe through afterwards had little affect on Simon, who was already on his way down. Simon rolled over as the ref counted. He beat the count, but the ref was correct to end it. All the while Simon stands there, as if to say: "What the hell are you doing? Why are you stopping it? I was winning! I coulda been world champion." Sure you could.

    Verdict: One of Louis' very best. One of most aggressive, least scientific performances. Just Joe Louis getting in there and being a real tiger, and beating a damn huge guy. Really, Louis, despite being a big guy himself, was a giant killer. Carnera, the Baer brothers, and now Simon. This is probably my fourth favorite Louis performance, next to Schmeling, Baer, and Conn.
     
  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I’m with you, this is definitely one of my favorite Louis performances.

    The way he totally out maneuvers Simon, his keen anticipation no matter what Simon tried, the fluidity of his positioning mixed with his attacks. Excellent. Especially in the first few rounds.

    Louis is the most finesse power puncher I’ve ever seen in boxing.

    I really wish we had a good version of Louis vs Carnera. I’m sure that performance would be a beauty as well.
     
  3. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I wish we had the first Louis-Simon fight!
     
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  4. Woller

    Woller Active Member Full Member

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    There are about seven minutes of their first fight. Filmed from maybe 10 rounds back from ringside. Not great, but it is there with also the only few seconds of Holman Williams I have heard of.
     
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  5. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Remind me to buy that off you sometime.
     
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  6. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    This was an incredible performance, and a perfect example of how devastating Joe could be in rematches. Louis' prime was cut short by the war. Shame, because he really was brilliant.
     
  7. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, if he had continued fighting, his prime probably would have come to an end about the time he started fighting again.
     
  8. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Who would he have had to fight during that time though?
     
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  9. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let's see here. I was looking at the rankings. Jimmy Bivins, Curtis Shepperd, Joey Maxim, Elmer Ray, and Jersey Joe Walcott were top contenders, and even Lee Q Murray, Melio Bettina, and Arturo Godoy were. I thought those were the most notable. I honestly can't foresee too many good matches coming out of there. Bivins-maybe, Shepperd-probably, Maxim-probably not, Ray-DEFINITELY, and Walcott-probably very two-sided and absolutely awesome. He would destroy Godoy again.
     
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  10. FrankinDallas

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    Simon was as slow as molasses.....Louis looked like he was fighting Ron "Beauty and the Beast" Perlman in there.
    Would have been incredible had Louis lost to this hairy ape; he stunk up the joint. If this was Louis' best performance...beating this
    D level club fighter...then all I can say it So What?
     
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  11. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It obviously didn't take much to get a title shot in those days...Simon had been knocked out in his last fight in 5 rounds, he was 2-3-1 in his last 6, the draw to a guy who was 22-18-4, and he had won a close decision over a guy who was 15-11-2 (listed as "disputed"). Maybe Simon "earned" the title shot by beating a guy who weighed 179 lbs and was 11-8-1?

    After watching Simon fight, it's no surprise that he had lost most of his last fights, but it is surprising that he won any. He did take a lot of Louis's punches unprotected.
     
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  12. FrankinDallas

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    Exactly. Beating this guy was not a big deal like the Louis lovers would have you think.
     
  13. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    I think of the line up proposed before the war the idea of him having a filmed fight against the Hachetman could’ve been fun.
     
  14. 70sFan865

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    So beating bums like Breazeale and Arreloa shows how amazing Wilder is, but Louis only faced bums? Nobody says that Simon was anything special, he wasn't but it doesn't make Louis any less impressive.

    By the way, your one number is wrong, Simon drew with Turkey Thompson who was 27-4-1 before the fight (not 22-18-4).
     
  15. Bokaj

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    What a tremendous fighter he was, Louis. Simon wasn't the most skilled, but he had some chin.