Joe Louis vs. Abe Simon II

70sfan, If Breazeale and Arreola had been fighting in the 30s and 40s guys like you would be discussing how incredible they were and laughing at the thought of Wilder or any of today's fighters beating them. Simon wouldn't last a round with either of them. Of the people I've seen Louis fight, Schmeling, the Baers, Galento, Carnera, and Simon, none of them would be competitive with Breazeale or Arreola.

Did Wilder do something to you? You have a lot of hate for a guy you probably don't know. All I've ever written about Wilder is that he is fast, hits hard, carries his power for the entire fight, cuts and creates distance...if that bothers you...too bad, put me on ignore.

FranklinDallas, after seeing Louis's competition, it's impossible to know how he would do against good fighters...if he had fought someone as good as Jimmy Ellis, or Gregorio Peralta we'd know a lot more about him.

 

Joe was a crazy puncher when he decided to use his big right hand. Right hand bomb at 6:05

 

Arreola was 2-2-2 in his last 6 fights, and had the luxury of not fighting twice in a month.

 

Now I wouldn't because they are not good and wouldn't be that good in the 1930s either. I don't say how incredible Abe Simon or Buddy Baer were and they are roughly the same level.

Again, equating Schmeling to Galento and Baers

Peralta isn't better than fighters Louis beat... Seriously, what makes Peralta better than Walcott, Schmeling, Conn, Sharkey or Pastor? Why do you always focus on the least skilled, biggest brawlers than Louis faced? Because it suits your agenda.

 

Thanks for posting and the comments. Louis looked on top of his game in this one.

Someone commented that Simon was slow. That is not unusual in gigantic heavyweights. That was the key reason most of them were only marginally effective.

One bad argument being made. Critics list the defeats of Simon and the records of the men who beat him. But he is only losing to men in his own era. A number of losses only means he are consistently fighting the best men available rather than padding his record. It is a totally circular argument that someone 38-10-1 isn't very good. It only really proves there is stiff competition at his level.

For example, the Super Bowl champion last year went 15-5, a 75% winning percentage. Why? They were playing other NFL teams each week. I think lots of college football teams had better than a 75% winning percentage. This by no means proves college teams are better than NFL teams. In any sport, relatively low winning percentages points to moving up in competition.

 

In my opinion , this version of Louis can bomb out even Sonny Liston.
The way he slipped and threw terrific shots was sublime. His handspeed was immense here too. The last fight of truly prime Louis.

 

Louis was just to quick and precise for the bigger and stronger Simon. Louis beat him on the inside , beat him on the outside, beat him on every exchange. Simon was a sitting duck.
Sloth from Goonies probably would have had a better chance of winning than Simon.

 

Was Ron Lyle really better than Abe Simon??

 

An order of magnitude better and twice as tough. Would Abe Simon have lasted as long vs Foreman? Would've been a first round ko IMO.

 

[QUOTE="FrankinDallas, post: 22409749, member: Would Abe Simon have lasted as long vs Foreman? [/QUOTE]
Longer.

 

Joe's reflexes look fantastic. He still had his fastball in '42.

But also, this is Simon at the very end of a pretty mediocre career.

 

The Chiefs ducked Georgia!

 

By the look of him, I thought Sloth had already gone a few rounds with Louis…so many messed up faces after getting hit by The Bomber….Goonies, top flick btw….

 

Louis’ punches looked like they literally detonated on impact - so much snap and optimal transfer of force.