Why do these youngsters all believe Cassius Clay was some kind of elusive, defensive wizard ?

Wonder why the thread starter refers to Tyson as Malik Abdul Aziz but somehow Ali is different.

Some deep underlying issues this guy has.

 

I don't see what's amusing about it at all.
You take the same stance as him by any chance?

 

@El Gallo Negro U sure you didn´t mistakenly put Clay in the thread title instead of Primo Carnera ?? Might be wrong.

 

The short answer is the 1960s. He was and still is the fastest heavyweight we've seen on film. Laying a glove on Ali was a challenge. There's been more than a few 240-50 lb heavyweights who when they would go to bed they would dream they hit half as hard as a 225lb George Foreman. Then they woke up.

 

Ali at his best was the most elusive heavyweight that ever lived.. the problem...as you stated ..was he spent the better part of 15 years as a punching bag

 

Interesting that you call him Clay yet it seems like you haven’t watched him fight in the 60s. Curios do you still post on your other account thinking about joining a boxing gym? Fighting your urge to fight?

Maybe I should bump the cringey sh1t you post in the training forum.

 

When he as an adult chose to legally change it?

Plenty.

 

He certainly WAS the most elusive heavyweight of all back in the sixties. The "punchbag thing" has been a tad exaggerated over the years,though,imo. After Muhammad came back in 1970 he may have slowed up a step and got hit a bit more than he did pre-exile,but he was still very fast for a heavy and still got hit a lot less than any other heavy around at the time. Perhaps he set such a high standard up to and including 1967 that he looked like he was being hit more than he actually was on his ring return. It was only after '75 that he slowed up even further and started to ship more consistent punishment. Obviously in his last two fights he was so far gone that virtually everything thrown by Holmes and Berbick connected.

 

He did, definitely. But he darent change it now with all the other Primo threads!

 

That wasn't a God given name, that was his slave name, his parents didn't have a choice, get it now ? keep well..

 

Absolutely spot on mate.

 

Speaking of race...I'm sure most of you know that Ali had Irish roots. His great grandfather Abe Grady, moved to Kentucky from County Clare...and married a black woman...and they had a daughter named Odessa Lee Grady....Ali's mother. Ali was proud of his Irish background...and in 2009 he went back to his ancestral home...and received the "Freedom Of Ennis" award from the town!!!

 

Nah, Ali was no angel, if he can run around being racist and calling decent black folk “ Uncle Tom” then I see nowt wrong with calling him his birth name that his mom an dad gave him if it offended him, it’s actually letting him off lightly

 

Irish Muhammad Ali

 

Do you refer to Sugar Ray Robinson or Jack Sharkey by their birth names?