Most adaptable heavyweights?

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  1. Glass City Cobra

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    By adaptable I mean that they can make adjustments and change up the game plan to find a way to win either during the fight and/or in rematches. These boxers tend to have good ring IQ and ring generalship.

    Some fighters that stand out (in no particular order):

    -Joe Louis: was absolutely savage in rematches. He often scored brutal knockouts in rematches--often closing the show quicker than in the first fight even if the first fight was a close call. Most infamous examples being Max Schmeling, Buddy Baer, Walcott, etc. However he wasn't particularly adaptable during a fight--although you are more than welcome to change my mind. Maybe there's a fight I missed where he made great adjustments.

    -Evander Holyfield: Could do a little bit of both. He has a pretty good record in some rematches such as Bowe 2, Moorer 2, Qawi 2. As far as during a match, I remember in the first Tyson fight he got nailed by a big punch and that seemed to "wake him up" and realize just how dangerous Tyson was and then fought much more cautiously and implemented a very great game plan to neutralize Tyson's offense.

    Against Bert Cooper he was fighting a somewhat methodical fight slowly breaking Cooper down and got dropped by a brutal hook. In true Holyfield fashion, he stepped right into the eye of the storm and began to let his hands go unleash a long barrage of shots that had Cooper a sitting duck until the fight was stopped.

    -Muhammad Ali: Best example I can think of is the Bonavena fight. He was very annoyed by Bonavena's non stop rugged pressure and had a hard time using his usual stick and move style--getting so frustrated at one point he threw Bonavena to the ground and was warned by the ref. This was a sign of things to come for Ali as he would soon struggle heavily with other pressure fighters such as Frazier. But in this particular bout he realized Bonavena was a very durable man who could not be stopped with direct shots that he is able to see coming. So Ali set up a very sneaky left hook outside his field of vision and Bonavena was on wobbly legs, getting dropped 2 more times losing via the 3 knockdown rule--the only stoppage of Bonavena's career.

    In rematches Ali was also quite adaptable. Against Frazier he used a much more cautious style and grabbed whenever Frazier managed to press inside. He didn't stand in ring center trading like he did before and constantly neutralized his opponent's offense before he could really get smoking. In the first Norton rematch, he still had a very hard time with Norton's style but had more success due to his much more consistent footwork and jabbing as opposed to just letting Norton bore his way in before.
     
  2. William Walker

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    Terrific list Cobra. I think you nailed the top three probably. I can think of a few that were adaptable, but not to this level. Ellis was one guy I thought had good adaptability, but due to what I think was poor stamina, his game-plans didn't always work out. Patterson was another guy. Not always successful either, but I think throughout Floyd's career, despite falling into a routine performance, we saw all sides of Floyd. He could box, infight, pressure, or slug.
     
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  3. William Walker

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    Eddie Machen is my top. He fought defensively against Liston, doing a sort of rope-a-dope and doing an excellent stick-and-move job. He played counterpunching games with Harold Johnson and gave Doug Jones a boxing lesson. And he opted to engage on the inside against Joe Frazier.
     
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    Tyson Fury
     
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  5. William Walker

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    Unfortunately, few fighters are very adaptable and adaptable consistently. This thread cannot go far Cobra.
     
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  6. Stiches Yarn

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    Lennox Lewis. Watch the Klitschko fight. Vitali was beating him and winning the fight, then Lewis shifted from trying to box to fiercely battling the willing Klitschko inside and made it, like steward said "an alley fight". Lewis chopped Klitschko to pieces, and the fight was stopped, Lewis winning by TKO.
     
  7. scartissue

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    Gene Tunney
    Jimmy Bivins
    Archie Moore
    Eddie Machen
    Muhammad Ali
    Jimmy Young
     
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  8. William Walker

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    For Tunney and Bivins, can you validate that w/ film?
     
  9. Gazelle Punch

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    Walcott had a good run at rematches
    Charles
    Elmer ray
    maxim
    Finding wins when he lost prior

    another example not named was Marciano
    Beating Lowry more thoroughly the second time and knocking out Lastarza and Charles and Walcott in spectacular fashion on rematches.
     
  10. Kamikaze

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    Ali-Frazier 2 Is Ali’s most masterful performance in my eyes. He looked like he was in a different class with the ring rust blown off. Excellent underrated performance.

    It was still a hard fought fight and did look close at times but I think that was just the case with anyone that took Frazier into the deep rounds where he blossomed.
     
  11. William Walker

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    People say Ali couldn't move in the 70s. They never saw this fight!
     
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  12. Kamikaze

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    Silly ain’t it?
    As much as it dreads me to say this about Joe I think the FOTC was more to do with Ali’s decline and ring rust then Joe’s greatness.
     
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  13. William Walker

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    Yeah, stupid.
    Idk about that though. I think Ali would always lose to Frazier the first time even if he wasn't ring rusty. Some say that Ali shouldn't have fought Bonavena and Frazier b2b.
     
  14. Guru88

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    A great choice, Lewis always did whatever he had to do to win, whether it be boxing or fighting, he is one of the most adaptable for sure, smart and brave
     
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  15. Glass City Cobra

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    Lennox is more well rounded than people give him credit for. He could be the calm, composed chess player or he could become downright nasty throwing heavy right crosses and uppercuts ending bouts quickly.

    He was good at making adjustments for rematches too, but part of the credit has to be given to trainer Emmanuel Steward who really knew how to get his fighters to follow the plan and saw things that they didn't. However, I do not have doubts that he could have made rematches with Mercer and Vitali more decisive affairs if given the chance.