Margaritos wraps

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This really explains what happened. In this video, Margarito says Nazim complained about the tape being double-wrapped, and Nazim said something about the tape on the wrist being a distraction as a fake out to the knucklepad. The double-wrapping of the tape caused Nazim to feel the pad, and he told the commissioner that the pad was hard, then the commissioner felt it and the commissioner agreed that it was pretty hard. Then according to Nazim, the commissioner flipped the pad over and what he describes as a block fell out of it.

    The hardened knuckle pads were deemed unsafe by the CSAC and confiscated for further examination. The damning part of this is that Capetillo himself claimed he used the hardened pads to protect another fighter's hands in training. And they had been mistakenly placed in Margarito's wraps on fight night without the boxer's knowledge.

    Does anyone know which fighter's hardened training pad Capetillo was referring to that he put into Margarito's wrap?

    Capetillo claimed that he reached into his equipment bag and grabbed the wrong pad, one that was hardened to protect one of his other fighters hands in training. Capetillo claims it was a mistake, but he does admit that a hardened pad was (accidently or not) put in Margarito's handwrap, which was a violation of CSAC Rule 323. This makes it abundantly clear that he did in fact put a hardened pad into the handwrap, and Nazim felt the pad, realized it was hard and brought it to the attention of the commissioner.

    The details from this video really need to be addressed by @C.J. and others who have been convinced by C.J.'s constant defending of Margarito that no wrongdoing occurred. The fact is that Capetillo admitted to putting in a hardened pad "accidently" into Margarito's wrap. Whether or not it was a mistake or intentional, there's no denying that a hardened pad was in Tony's wrap which was only discovered because of Nazim's due diligence in feeling the wrap and bringing it to the commissioner's attention. Thank goodness that block fell out when the commission took a closer look.

    How anyone can blame or criticize Brother Nazim for having the presence of mind to discover the hardened pad inside Margarito's wrap by paying attention to what was happening and feeling it is beyond belief. After being caught red handed, is it to anyone's surprise that Capetillo played the "innocent mistake" card claiming that he accidently used another fighter's hardened wrap? How gullible do you have to be to believe such a story? Oh I know someone that gullible - good ol @C.J. He'll do anything to defend a cheat. But we can't let him get away with it. He might try to covince people that Tony was wronged, but Capetillo at minimum is responsible for what happened, and it's up to us whether we believe whether Tony had knowledge of it in the past and was also "playing innocent" or if using hardened wraps was so common to him that he was used to it.

    I hope this video puts ot rest once and for all CJ's crusade to try desperately to exonerate Tony or his team. Tony may or may not have had anything to do with Capetillo putting that hardened warp in his glove, but it all comes down to what you believe. But what can't be denied is that Capetillo accidently or not clearly violated the rules and put a hardened pad into Tony's glove and if it wasn't for brother Nazim, he would have had bricks in his wraps vs Mosley. How can we be sure that Capetillo hadn't gotten away with this in the past, and only said it was a mistake to try to act innocent and try to save his reputation and at the same time try to shield Margarito from cuplability?

    It smells like a cover-up to me from Capetillo with his story that he accidently put another's fighters "hardened used pad" into Margarito's glove on fight night. For any trainer to make that kind of a mistake shows a serious lack of professionalism at a minimum and makes you wonder if this was sometjhing he had been getting away with in the past until brother Nazim finally caught him in the act. The irony about this story from Capetillo is that he claims he was using a hardened wrap to protect a fighter's hands. And several weeks ago I was lectured by another poster about how Margarito couldn't have been using hardened wraps vs Cotto because it would have injured his hands. But yet Capetillo's defense is making the complete opposite argument, that he was using a hardened pad to protect another fighter's hands in training. So if you believe Capetillo's story, then it just completely destroys the whole argument about how using a hardened wrap would caused damage to your hand.

    While Margarito's knowledge of it is a matter of what you believe, Capetillo clearly made a serious mistake. Either he did that intetionally and only said it was a mistake to try and save his reputation, or he's massively negligent to make that kind of mistake. Either way, he's clearly culpable for what happened, there's no excuse for putting a hardened pad into a fighter's wrap on fight night, and, intentonal or not, he was rightly suspended by the CSAC for violating the rules. While Tony's knowledge may remain unclear, It's hard to believe that he wouldn't have noticed the difference between a hardened pad and a regular soft pad when his hand was being wrapped. Fighters have to be able to trust their trainers in how they wrap hands. But how could a fighter not feel the difference between a hardened block and a fresh soft knucklepad? It's hard to believe, and frankly if Tony didn't notice the hardened pad in there, then one can only wonder if that was because he had become so used to hardened wraps being that Tony either thought it was normal for a pad to be that hard or he didn't say anything because he didn't want to arise suspicion and bring attention to the pad.

    Either way, Capetillo bears responsibility for violating the CSAC rule and putting a hardened pad in the wrap. And for CJ or anyone else to act like nothing illegal happened and the CSAC just made everything up and Tony or his team did nothing wrong, that's just not factual. CJ and others like Doug Fischer brought up how the testing of the pad didn't reveal clear evidence of plaster of paris, that it was the same ingredients in human sweat or the amounts were so small as Fischer argued that it didn't prove that the pad was dipped it some other substance that would form plaster of paris. But even putting the testing of the handwraps aside, just the fact that Capetillo himself admitted that he accidentally put a hardened pad in there, that's all we need to know to be sure that Nazim did in fact reveal an illegal hardened pad in the wrap.

    However it became hard, whether there was a foreign substance in it, or whether it was just a used wrap, there's no question that the wrap was hard as Capetillo admitted it himself. So there's no justification whatsoever for CJ calling Nazim a POS or crying about the CSAC suspending Capetillo and Margarito. They violated Rule 323 clearly, and as a result, they deserved to be suspended and punished. If Brother Nazim didn't act and bring this to the attention of the CSAC, Margarito could have given Mosley a bloody beating with Bricks in his gloves like he did to Cotto and probably countless other opponents before Cotto before he was finally caught. Nazim is a hero for exposing Capetillo for loading Tony's wraps with bricks and he saved Mosley from what would have surely been the beating of his life. Whether it was intetionally or an honest mistake is a matter of whether you believe Capetillo's story, but what can't be denied is that he did in fact load the wraps with hardened pad and was caught red-handed. After watching this video and hearing all the details about what happened, how anyone can still defend MargaCHEATO or his team is despicable.
     
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  2. Drew101

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    Salsanchezfan still posts in Classic. Sweet Pea posts there from time to time as well under a different name.
     
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  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Excellent post!
     
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  4. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Yup. Not sure what to believe. They didn't show anything to the public that proved he was guilty and his sentence was very lenient.
     
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  5. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    If he actually had plaster of Paris he most likely would have broken his own hands.
     
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  6. Boomstick

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    Other than the list of inspectors and impartial personnel who actually saw it and gave testimony?


    Dean Lohuis, Chief Inspector:
    “”No doubt then, no doubt now. The wraps I found had the knuckle pad altered in some form. They were hard. I didn’t think twice when I pulled them out as illegal.””

    CSAC inspector David Pereda:
    “”Naazim opened the gauze and pulled something out of it. He showed us what appeared to be an old gauze which had been used before and hardened from perhaps being sweaty and wet many times.””

    License inspector Michael Bray:
    ““I immediately retrieved it. I believe it was an illegal pad–it needed to be confiscated. I observed what appeared to be a bloodstain. It was not new and their was a white substance smeared across the knuckles. It was hard to the touch–likePlaster of Paris.””

    Inspector Guevara: “It [the knuckle pad] was a clean new bandage. But within it, in the inner layers of it, was another bandage wrap. It was not as white as a new bandage wrap would be. It was used and it looked almost like it was sweat soaked and that’s what caused it to have the discoloration. It was harder in certain areas than it should be for pure gauze. It was definitely firm and hard. I believe there was a little bit of, it looked like old blood, on it.””

    So really, was the state of California out to get Margarito, but just for a few hours? So they could suspend him temporarily? What he got was “lenient” because there was no hard proof he was aware, and his trainer fell on the sword for him.

    There seems to be an effort by some internet posters to spread disinformation(who could have figured?).
     
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  7. the commentator

    the commentator Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why are we talking about this scumbag again?
     
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  8. bandeedo

    bandeedo VIP Member Full Member

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    Cause guys like you keep adding posts to the discussion. Pretty plain answer.
     
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  9. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Bet part is the CSAC Insp watched the wrapping, passed it ,signed off on it too before Richardson started his BS why wasnt he censured ???
     
  10. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Your daft enough to believe that video was serious lol. Tony's wraps for Pac were clean Though Robert claimed Freddie had stacked Pac's & wanted them re wrapped. Freddie refused & they let him get away with it
     
  11. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Sad part is a good fighters name & career were permanently tarnished by a blatant lie. Both Floyd & Oscar gasped a sigh of relief, now they didnt have to fight Tony
     
  12. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    I'll answer your ludicrous Novel length post by asking you this.......
    What happened to the "blocks" Richardson said fell from the wrap ? No one else saw them because there never was any. That POS LIED AGAIN!!!!!!!! Ive asked the CSAC & Richardson about this at the time & the CSAC denied all knowledge & Richardson walked away wouldnt speak to me. The wraps the CSAC had tested were deemed HARMLESS by the independant lab who tested them. The CSAC failed to include that part on their report. When the CSAC were asked to produce the pads they said they no longer had them they had been MISLAID!!!!!!!! How Convenient huh ?????????? Smell like the Fish docks in Midsummer doesnt it
     
  13. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    In my opinion the only scumbag in this thread is YOU!!! for maligning an innocent mans name
     
  14. C.J.

    C.J. Boxings Living Legend revered & respected by all Full Member

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    Just ask Pac if Tony hit hard or hit like a ***** cat? I personally heard Pac say he'd never been hit so hard in Cowboys stadium Texas. He said
    "Margarito hit him harder than he'd ever been hit before, he was too big & too strong & he felt lucky he'd survived & won the fight" Right after this he collapsed in pain from his battered ribs & was taken to hospital.;
    If youve ever seen that documentary MANNY!! you'll see this scenario on it you may also see yours truly for a few seconds I'm the handsome one lol
     
  15. shadow111

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    The hardened knuckle pad was not deemed harmless, the pad was deemed unsafe by the CSAC and confiscated for further examination. Capetillo himself admitted that he "accidently" put a hardened pad in Tony's wrap. He said he reached into his gym bag and put a hardened pad that was to protect another one of his fighter's hands in training into Tony's wrap on fight night. If you believe Capetillo's story, then his admission is all the proof you need. He loaded Tony's wrap was a hardened knuckle pad and was caught red-handed. Thank goodness for Brother Nazim who was there paying attention to catch the cheat in action!
     
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