The fighters with most potential decision changing fights on their resume

Talk about minimizing one's accomplishments.

Yes he lost to Duran in the first fight but he made adjustments in the rematch and actually made Roberto Duran quit. He beat Hearns in the first fight. He beat Hagler at his own native weight.

 

If we are talking only Fab 4 here Hearns beat Duran 4 years after Ray after he had several big losses. Tommy also beat an overweight 8 years after the fact Sugar Ray Leonard in the wrong weight class whilst he himself would go onto I think Cruiser? Hearns was also KO'd brutally by Marvin and Leonard in hard fights but still lost fair and square. SRL beat Duran fair and square in the second and made an amazing account of himself in the first bout he also beat or drew or even lost to Hagler fair enough whilst being more or just as worn having serious eye issues, a long lay off, no tune up fights under the spotlights and being a natural WW.

(IMO)
Ray beat- Prime Hearns, Old Hagler, (Prime WW) Roberto Duran
Ray lost-to Hearns 8 years after the fact at SMW and the best of Duran at WW.

Hearns beat- Duran who was 3-3 in the last two years and at SWW and SMW Ray Leonard 8 years after the fact
Hearns lost to- Prime SRL and a close to prime Marvin Hagler.

Duran went 1-3
He beat a prime SRL
He lost to Hagler clean he lost to SRL in a comeback fair and square and was KO'd by Hearns at SWW.

Hagler went 2-1
He beat Heanrs at MW, and a game MW Duran.
He only narrowly lost to SRL, no shame both were far from there best days.

 

Axel Schulz

 

Juan Manuel Marquez really deserves the wins against Norwood, John, and at least the third Pacquaio fight, some should say all four. Go with the consensus opinions on those fights (and his debut was a BS DQ) and he’d be like 62-2 or 61-2-1 (Pacquaio IV draw) and his only losses would be when he was late 30s/early 40s at welterweight to Mayweather and Bradley and he’d also officially have the Pacquaio series in his favor. Probably have a very long reign with a ton of defenses at 126 too.

 

Luis Rodriguez should have won at least three of the four Griffith fights. He also had some controversial decisions later in his career but the Griffith series causes many to underrate him.

 

Ali got several gifts in his career, though not everyone agrees on all of them. Doug Jones was very close, the two Norton rematches should have gone to Norton, Jimmy Young robbed, Shavers did enough in the minds of many to win. Even the Spinks rematch was very close if you watch it without the sound and biased announcers.

Paquiao had three fights that should have gone his way. The first Marquez fight was a draw because judge Bert Clements failed to score the third knockdown for Manny in the first round, otherwise it's a win for Manny. He was robbed in the first Bradley fight and the Horn fight.

Mayweather got some gifts as well. The first Castillo fight, the first Maidana fight and I thought Oscar did enough to pull away with a 115-113 win.

 

Proof of my point

 

Canelo

 

Schmeling - Sharkey 2.

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This isn't the fighter with the most, but the Lineal Heavyweight Title Belt changed hands, which makes it a big one.

 

Yes many do argue just that Flash.

 

People most certainly do not point to his draw with Hearns as being proof of his greatness which underlines the extreme bias of this post.

 

It is not bias to point out relevant points.

Leonard lost to Hearns, Duran, and Hagler. It was the faulty decisions in his favor that people use to elevate Leonard .

Leonard was an ATG, there is no doubt about it. But his wins are all tainted in some form or another when it comes to Duran, Hagler and Hearns.

The other 3 are (in terms of greatness) higher rated by me and many others. Duran beat him in his prime, Hearns won practically every round when they fought and went on to win titles at LHW. Hagler was jobbed in the Leonard fight as well, and his accomplishments beating Duran and Hearns are of higher quality.

The fab 4 is properly listed in this order ( when it comes to ATG status)
Duran
Hearns
Hagler - (He is listed here because he never fought at any other weight)
Leonard.

 

You are biased as i pointed out and you haven't addressed the point i made about the Hearns draw because you reasonably can't.

The Hearns win being tainted is also absolute bull ****.

Actually there's so much wrong in this post it would be a waste of time addressing it to be honest.

 

Lockridge was one those fighters that seemed to never get the ball to bounce his way. Or maybe he didn't have that extra gear that seperate ATG'S from very goods.

 

The Hearns draw was a bad decision, he won that fight and Leonard admitted it. Again, a decision that gives Leonard more legitimacy and not enough to Hearns.

The best win for Leonard was Hearns 1, in which he did what he had to do to win ( but Hearns was out boxing him the majority of that fight) All the other ones come with an *

I think if anyone looks objectively at his career they will come to the same conclusions I have about Leonard.