New clinching rules.

A lot of careers would’ve been different had they not have been able to strategically use clinches as apart of their offensive/defensive arsenal.

 

Tell that to Ali then... he was notorious for clinching, certainly from age 30 on.

 

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i don't think we need new rules, the rules are there, clinching or holding is part of the sport, i believe it's a skill to tie somebody up, especially if you're hurt, buzzed or in serious trouble.

Also, fighting inside is a skill, if somebody has you wrapped up, it can be very difficult to get a arm/hand free and work, it's actually very difficult to work an angle and create space or just turn a fighter, it takes a lot of practice and sometimes it just comes with experience.

I personally don't mind it, so long as it isn't constant and isn't a fighters main tactic, if a fighter is just jumping in to grab and maul, spoil then it's a problem.

We just need consistency and stronger referees, if you get those two things working together then those moments won't happen as often and won't be as frustrating.

The consistency is key, then we all understand the rules, understand what will be tolerated, fighters will eventually referee themselves so to speak, if a fighter 100% knew there would be a point taken and maybe worse if they constantly hold them they just wouldn't do it.

 

Jesus Andre ward woulda been ****ed


On a serious note...don't ban clinching....as someone pointed out earlier...clinching when hurt is a skill...but they should definitely make moves to take points for excessive clinching because some people are ridiculous.....tying up as soon as someone is with 2 feet of you...andrade being most recent example...run run run...get low ,come up forward tie up...boring ****

 

It's tough to make a consistent rule because some matchups produce exciting inside fighting and others it's only spoiling, but it's one of those thing you know it when you see it but what would a rule look like?

 

Yeah good point and I get that, but a good referee should know what he is looking at, he should understand what's going on, he is closest to the action so should know if a fighter is hurt, buzzed, If it's just natural coming together.

But if you just get one fighter jumping in, grabbing, clinching, not looking to work but just to spoil.. take Okolie for example, there have been many moments when he has literally jumped in and grabbed.

We start there, if it's blatant, consistent spoiling then a strong referee should instantly warn, then take a point, none of this continuous warnings, long chats and finger waving.

Stronger referee and more consistency.

But I understand what you're saying, sometimes it just happens, it can be just done to styles or even a tactic clash.. but there are still rules there, a lot of it is down to the referee's discretion and that's when it becomes a real problem for me.

 

There is some cases where the excessive clinching certainly should have been considered for disqualification. Perfect example is Wlad vs Povetkin that was maybe the most ridiculous one I can remember. Good examples of using a clinch at the right time would be when Mosley buckled Floyd or when Thurman buckled Porter. Those were examples where th fighter was on unsteady legs after taking a huge shot and immediately clinched to recover. Wlad just clinched and leaned on Povetkin the whole fight.

Somebody brought up Ali. The Ali vs Frazier rematch is never talked about because Ali clinched 133 times which made the fight beyond unwatchable.

 

Okolie vs Askin is even a bit better example.
Clinch and holding is nothing new, before WW2 and especially before WW1 this was common thing in boxing.

 

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