How good was Foreman`s performance v Cooney?

John was stretching out the term superheavyweight. I think most would call Foreman the biggest guy in 70s who was near the top of the divison. Wheeling out Joe Bugjer to point out how big he is would be pedantic.

 

You are such a condescending little **** aren't you.

Nice effort to avoid the question posed by not only myself but another as well and sneak things past it.

 

I think he was asking for your definition of a Super Heavyweight, given your assigning of the term to Foreman.

Heavyweights are big guys, relatively speaking. If you're going to tag Foreman with the "Super Heavyweight" label then it stands to reason that comparatively sized people fall into or close to that category, as well.

Incidentally, Foreman's first career weigh-ins average out at sub-220lbs.

But, none of this or what John was discussing even implied that "fighting in the 70s was the same as modern era at heavyweight."

 

None of it was rocket science was it?

 

Foreman had a large frame and was stronger than the guys he was fighting. Wilder is another guy who has physical advantages despite not weighing in over 230. I don’t think people would call Juan Carlos Gomez bigger than 70s Foreman and Deontay Wilder, but you might conclude that if you only looked at height, reach, and weight.

The point is that a style based on overpowering opponents would be less effective in a division of bigger fighters, like today’s division.

John said that I had “obviously accepted” that Ali, Lyle, and Norton were superheavyweights. While I didn’t say that, labeling them as superheavyweights still wouldn’t make them as big and strong as fighters today. When one poster puts words in my mouth, it’s more fun to put words in their mouth in return than defend myself against things I didn’t say.

 

So now once it was pointed out others were comparable or bigger than Foreman you come back to "Foreman had a large frame and was stronger than guys he was fighting"???? Fenech, Griffith and Tiger were stronger than most everyone they fought too should that be held against them?

What next, Foreman had a bigger wrist size than Lyle so had a size advantage?

Newsflash - being bigger than someone most definitely involves height and weight given reasonably comparable body fat percentages.

Wilder is 6'7" and towers over just about everyone he has fought where as all my examples were basically the same height as Foreman. Grasping much?

The point was you said Foreman benefited by being basically the first super heavyweight, a point that has been exposed and one that you are now trying all sorts of things to disengage from.

The other claim is something you seem to have fixated on that had nothing to do with our "discussion".

You certainly didn't dispute it.

Truth be told you probably didn't even know Foreman's size and that of his opponents/peers. You were the one labeling him as a super heavyweight.

Nice excuse with the last sentence, good luck with that one

 

Superheavyweight is anyone over 91kg in the amateurs.
Which is the same as heavyweight in the pros now, about 201 pounds and over.

The is no "SHW" is the pros.

Although WBC are trying to call anyone under 224 a "Bridgerweight" now.
Whatever.

 

You might be thinking of Wlad, here.

 

Re the Foreman/Cooney bout - It was immediately noticeable that Foreman looked sharper than he had in any of his previous comeback bouts, but Cooney looked better than George, to begin with, and was landing some good, heavy shots, taking the first round.

Familiar story with Foreman, though. Once he finds his mark, he's going to keep aiming at it and, with Cooney, he began to have a free for all, particularly with his short uppercuts on the inside. The finish was as good as you'll ever see.

Foreman was back and he was serious.

 

You’re missing the point like a bald headed cactus. Foreman’s style from the 70s depended on advantages that wouldn’t exist today.

 

It’s a vague term that has been used for decades to describe certain heavyweights.

 

Yes, Dundee used it in 1975 to describe Muhammad Ali, and it possibly goes back further.

Vague is correct.

 

Johnson drove his automobile fast

 

You would be wrong in your assessment of Foreman. He didn’t depend on being bigger. He just defended on knocking them out. One doesn’t need to be bigger to do so.