Biggest One-Fight "Stock" Drop

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  1. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Forgot about Rigondeaux-Donaire.

    Donaire went from p4p #2 Filipino Flash to Overrated Puncher soon to be KO'd by Walters soon to be a ringside photographer real quick.
     
  2. N17

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    That's a good one, an overlooked one.

    Bute was the bookies odds on favourite for that, he was never the same afterwards.

    Many people were really high on him but his reputation was pretty much done after that.
     
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    N17 VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't know how we are doing this, do we mean a fighter that never recovered from a loss or fans perceptions after a defeat?

    If it's the latter, do any of you remember Khan getting blitzed in a minute by Prescott?

    He was written off by nearly everybody after that, he was an absolute laughing stock, memes, he was slaughtered for a long time afterwards.

    I really don't like Khan but I will always give Khan credit for turning it all around and eventually winning a world title.
     
  4. N17

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    OK, had a mini think, it really hurt actually, I have a headache, but I was rattling my 3 brain cells and..


    Margarito after Mosley

    Not only did Mosley beat him senseless, the wraps, his reputation was wrecked after that fight, completely wrecked.

    I can't think of anybody who went from hero to zero as quickly after one defeat/fight.
     
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  5. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    AJ went from TKOing #4 ranked Povetkin to getting TKOd in 7 by Andy Ruiz who wasn’t ranked in the top 10. And also AJ vs Ruiz II where Ruiz went from a good combo puncher with very good footwork to a fat flat footed throwing one shot at a time.

    Eleider Alvarez KOd Kovalev in the first fight and looked nothing short of elite. In looked like he just learned how to box in the rematch.
     
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Great point about Khan. His stock plummeted after that, but he rebuilt himself and got that stock back up to where it was before Prescott and even higher.
     
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  7. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Povetkins last showing has finished him off id say
     
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    Devon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Buster Douglas losing to Holyfield
     
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    willcross Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Vargas vs Trinidad jumps to mind
     
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  10. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Re the OP. It seemed fight 2 had an element of exposed in it. Bottom line is Wilders best win is an old version of Ortiz and a draw with a far from peak Fury.

    If he comes back with wins against quality opposition all power to him. But unlike Lewis or Joshua who got caught possibly being complacent ... Wilders never had that history of credible opponents behind him.

    It's almost like his stock simply reverted to what it should be based on his actual record of achievements.
     
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  11. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jeez. Tyson Fury is the favorite for three months, and the day before the fight when everyone bets the underdog, Wilder creeps ahead ... that's what you come back with? (LOL)

    Not the fact that Wilder didn't go ANYWHERE when he lost? Not the fact that Wilder is in the EXACT same situation he was a year ago, fighting Fury for the World Title.

    That's your BIGGEST STOCK DROP EVER pick? Wilder?

    Yes, in boxing history, Wilder losing his first fight to the best fighter on the whole sport and not dropping any spots at all in the ratings is the biggest collapse EVER. (rolls eyes)

    **** off. Adam Kownacki fell further TWO weeks later against Helenius, who was brought in to fall down. Kownacki fell out of the top 10 and still isn't back.

    Troll thread.
     
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  12. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Having said that. Wilders first Stiverne fight was a good win. And Fury 2 he never gave up easily. I hope he does come back into play in future.
     
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    Price vs Thompson
     
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  15. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Lewis-McCall and Wlad-Sanders were similar but AJ-Ruiz and Wilder-Fury 2 are certainly the biggest in recent years. Heavyweight fights tend to generate the most interest and hype, people are more obsessed than they used to be with fighters having flawless records and in the social media age these defeats get replayed and shared billions of times, which makes them even more crushing for a fighter's value.

    AJ's stock dropped the most in absolute terms because it had a lot further to fall than Wilder's. As has been said already he was the ultimate A-side with an enormous global marketing machine behind him. AJ had KO'd all but one of his opponents, had a number of good wins on his undefeated resume (which included an Olympic gold medal, albeit undeserved) and was out-earning Wilder by several fold. So AJ's crushing defeat and tacit submission in his U.S. debut to a stubby, morbidly obese Castizo; a short-notice 25/1 underdog, was the most humiliating and costly defeat of all time.

    Wilder's defeat however was even more comprehensive and harmed his value more in relative terms. He was only the marginal favourite over Fury but the manner of his defeat was far more complete. At least AJ had success against Ruiz whenever he kept it at a distance and utilised his superior height and reach and was only in trouble when Ruiz was able to engage him at close range. Wilder on the other hand lost every round (only one was even somewhat close) and was beaten at every range and in every engagement. Being more arrogant and delusional than AJ, Wilder also took his defeat far more poorly and came out with a laundry list of absurd conspiracy theories as to why he got destroyed by Fury on black history month, including the idea that the black American referee and his black American trainer were racially biased against him and secretly in cahoots with team Fury. This added insult to injury and has resulted in most of his less delusional fans abandoning him.

    While most people believed that AJ would be given a better gameplan and come back to defeat a limited Ruiz in the rematch, no one believed that Wilder had anything more than a small puncher's chance of beating Fury in a hypothetical trilogy. Wilder's subsequent mental collapse even makes him look vulnerable to many 2nd tier heavyweights.