How good was Foreman`s performance v Cooney?

You also forgot to disclose that your love for Foreman won’t allow you to admit that he’d be in deep **** going rounds with Ruiz, which takes a lot more energy than fighting 11 ko’s in 56 fights Jimmy Young, who btw dropped Foreman.

 

Parker - Ruiz is in no way a "robbery". Even if you think Ruiz won it can't have been by much at all. It hardly constitutes a robbery.

Foreman decimated an ATG and lineal world champ with a dominance seldom ever seen. He backed it up with the devastation of Norton being losing to the greatest. Later he beat Frazier again. Ruiz by comparison barely won a round in the rematch with Joshua.

 

Don’t try to tell me that Fury doesn’t have elements of Young and Ali.

Don’t try to tell me the exact same shortcoming didn’t surface for George against Lyle, who was stylistically very normal. Like a smaller Joshua.

 

I was talking about the two i named, of course.

Joshua most certainly isn't an ATG at this stage.

 

Who are you quoting there? Ruiz went on the road while inexperienced and had a could’ve gone either way fight.

 

Oh, so we’re forgetting Ruiz most important fight. Got it.

 

I am quoting who i quoted, obviously.

 

No i was casting off the other two you abandoned once you were pressed.

 

Ali was the greatest only for his delusional fans.
He was mediocre level bombs eating boxer with loud mouth, medium level technique, unique elite brilliant king's level granite chin, rude and money hungry boxer in 70 ies, far worse boxer than Foreman and Ali knew that he is not that good if compare with Foreman and Norton.
Therefore rude Ali and King perfered to have him 3 fights vs Frazier rather than rematch him vs Foreman.
Ali is overvalued as hell average level King's boxer with elite granite chin hyped up by King in 70 ies not the greatest in 70 ies.

 

Who used the word “robbery?”

 

As long as we agree that Ruiz made a better opponent than any Foreman beat quit.

 

I'll uh leave it about here

 

Well the guy i quoted said "Ruiz get robbed by my subjective opinion" so i'd say him wouldn't you? Jesus ****ing Christ man are you illiterate?

 

Put down the crack pipe bud and open that second eye.

 

That depends on if Ruiz can get past Foreman's ramrod jab, shoving, and brutal uppercuts. Ruiz is shorter with shorter arms and would have to bring the fight to him. I have never seen anyone manage to force Foreman to fight on the inside in more than 70 fights. Frazier is far more skilled than Ruiz and couldn't do it in 2 attempts. Norton, Qawi, and Cooper couldn't do it. Ruiz is bigger than them with quick hands, sure, but stylistically I'm not sure he'd be able to get inside and let his hands go.

If he can then it would be a heck of a fight. But remember the stiff body builder Joshua was able to adjust and keep Ruiz at the end of his punches in the rematch.

You're still an idiot for thinking fighting outdoors and swinging for the fences trying to hit an elusive target isn't going to rapidly drain your stamina.

Fury certainly does have a few stylistic similarities. Does the AVERAGE modern HW fight like Fury?

Look at the men in the top 10 rankings for the past couple years. Are Whyte, Pulev, Brezeale, etc going to get on their toes and fight slick and defensively to make Foreman miss and counter him?

He struggled with Lyle for a completely different reason. Lyle threw over hand rights to counter Foreman's jab that he kept pawing out without recoiling fast enough. Lyle then stood his ground and went toe to toe with him. Foreman was also coming off of a loss, a year of inactivity, and his confidence had plummeted.

Foreman's short coming against Lyle had absolutely nothing to do with stamina. And he won the fight getting off the floor to win the fight of the year in a dramatic comeback. Not sure how that's an argument against Foreman, but by all means continue.