All considered ATG punchers have at least 1 or 2 wins over fighters that were 'live' opponents. I dont think i seen Bruno KO a 'live' opponent. They had all seen better days. With the exception of McCall, who he did not KO (no shame there as nobody ever did KO him) the other 'live' opponents he faced all beat him. im not saying he couldnt punch but rather that i personally believe its somewhat exaggerated.
Depends on who you fight. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. Plus, just because someone is a better fighter doesn't mean one is a more durable fighter. So if someone KO's a top tier fighter who isn't particularly durable, does that make one a great puncher? I say it's when power is consistently demonstrated over many opponents.
Forgive me mate but i dont even know what your 2nd sentence means regarding this instance. Your first sentence completely backs up my point. In fact much of your post actually strengthens my point. You can knock out 100 chuck gardners but it dont mean squat compared to knocking out several top tier fighters. And your right, being top tier doesnt necessarily guarantee durability but it does prove they are better quality boxers/fighters that belong at that level, and the KO'ing of them should , and does, be afforded more brownie points
I agree with these points in so far as Frank did not knockout the best guys but I still think it’s a bit rich to say Frank can’t KO live opponents when you regard the only live ones he fought as Bonecrusher, Tyson, Witherspoon and Lewis! There never was a guy who fought all four who went 4-0. How many from history? I don’t think Morrison or Ruddock knocked out especially good men. Ron Lyle or Big cat Williams either.
yeah fair point. I didnt say he couldnt, im saying he didnt. Im not saying he couldnt punch but that i feel its somewhat exaggerated as, in my opinion, he never showed this power when it really mattered against, lets say, better opposition than what he was used to knocking out. Just out of curiosity, who would you say were 'live' opponents he faced who hadnt seen better days other than the 4 mentioned?
Who has Wilder or AJ knocked out to lead one to believe that they are ATG punchers? AJ stopped a 41 year old Wlad Klitchsko who had already been stopped before when significantly younger. Yet, if either would retire today, most likely, history would remember them as ATG punchers. Take George Foreman for instance. It's not like after Foreman stopped Frazier and Norton that his punching power suddenly increased, he had the power all along. And he still would've been able to hit just as hard had he never stopped Frazier or Norton.
Changed your tune somewhat regarding Wilder as a puncher!? Read your opening post here:- https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...-bowe-vs-evander-holyfield-circa-1992.600747/ Bit of stange turnaround?
Wait....what? Who said Wilder or AJ were ATG punchers??? Certainly not me. As for the Foreman example you gave, George PROVED it at the highest level. Frank didnt. I know what your saying about the fighter having the power regardless but the point im making is he never done it against the elite (for lack of a better word}. Your actually backing my whole argument up here mate
I would say Bruno beat the same number of live opponents that Ruddock, Lyle, Cooney, Tommy Morrison, Anthony Joshua and big cat Williams all did. There are not that many great fighters who’s best wins were not over guys who had seen better days. In fact the vast majority of all successful champions records list wins over men past their best days.
Patterson gets hurt on the way in, Bruno tries but can't finishes him and gassed then Patterson knocks him out.
Floyd Patterson has fought the likes of Archie Moore, Tommy Hurricane Jackson, Roy Harris, Ingo, Sonny Liston, Muhammad Ali, George Chuvalo, Jerry Quarry, and Oscar Bonavena, to name quite a few. Frank Bruno has his share of good fighters on his record but everyone remembers the beating that he received from Terrible Tim Witherspoon and Mike Tyson. Bruno is no Liston to beat a fighter like Floyd. I see a very lopsided win for the quick handed Patterson on points.
