I don't think there is enough to support a case for Wilder to considered ahead of Whyte or Parker nevermind AJ looking at their resumes.
Fury is number one, Joshua number two. Not much between those two, but Fury's super last performance stands to keep him at the top until events prove otherwise. I honestly don't get what you think Wilder has done to merit a place in the top two. By rights he should've lost his crown in LA.
Wilder has fought two decent opponents- Ortiz (old) and Fury (only once in shape). Seriously, how many rounds of the 33 completed did Wilder actually win in those 4 fights? Frank Bruno would have an identical resume to Wilder if he fought his opponents.
Sorry mate, you’re clutching at straws here to pump Wilder up. So, in theory, because Ruiz and Parker looked shite in the weekend, Wilder has fought tougher opponents? Cut it out. Outside of Fury (who Wilder arguably lost to twice) and Ortiz (who has also looked terrible in the past against lesser opponents) who has he fought exactly? Whyte, Ruiz, Parker, Klitschko are all better fighters than Ortiz. Ortiz is a Pulev level heavyweight at best - so please don’t try and hype him up as the next Mike Tyson.
Fantastic post - exactly what I was thinking as I read this thread Nothing but bloated support from the same old Wilder excusers. Who is Wilder fighting again...? Even he himself doesn’t think he’s in the top5 otherwise he’d have pushed to fight by now to redeem himself.
It really doesn't matter. Fury, Wilder, Joshua and Usyk all need to face each other. Joshua can't be number 1 or 2 because he lost to Andy Rice Pudding Jr, and particularly in devastating fashion.
These “he looked good in this fight, he looked bad in this fight, so that means X Y and Z” doesn’t really work outside of casual fan reaction. Wilder has looked poor against many fighters that lesser fighters pummelled to the ground. Look at Szpilka. He gave Wilder real problems. Chisora destroyed him from the get go. Washington gave Wilder problems that he was not able to do against lesser fighters.
Good fighters can lose to lesser fighters on the night. You're not lesser than everyone that beats you. He suffered a shock defeat due to a style clash and getting his tactics wrong. He corrected that mistake, and dominated Ruiz 2nd round. I see no reason to predict a different outcome 9/10 in the future. Ruiz cannot really do anything if Joshua is leaning back with that Jab, sticking with left jabs and straight rights. Joshua will win by UD 9/10, 1/10 Ruiz wins by KO.
If Joshua beats Fury fair and square he can settle this. Or he can fight Wilder. But he already made that pretty difficult with the A-side antics, regardless of the Hearn propaganda. The idea deluded Wilder was scared of AJ is absurd, he would have believed he could KO anyone, especially back then.
I never said that he was worse than Andy Rice Pudding Jr. This is a stain on his record that far exceeds any stain on anyone else's. He "dominated" (hardly) Rice Pudding Jr in a terrible bout in which he was petrified and barely hit him the entire night. Rice Pudding Jr came in with extra Rice Pudding at nearly 290lbs. Wow. So impressive.
Never said it was really impressive, but he won massively on the score cards. It was domination because Ruiz had literally no success in the fight. Joshua has the stain on his record, but he also has strong wins such as Wladmir and 2018 Povetkin that are better wins than any Wilder has acquired. How you rate Parker, Pulev and Ruiz vs Ortiz is up to you, but they're all probably similar quality. I truly believe 2018 Povetkin vs Wilder would be 50/50, and Wladmir at 41 would KO Wilder 7-8/10.
And I also believe X, Y and Z would also beat X, Y and Z. The fact is that Joshua got battered by a a morbidly obese midget who has done nothing else in the division.
