Give Canelo his due

Quoted for emphasis! 100% THIS!!!

Except I had GGG winning I and had II a draw. But that was 2 elites going at it, even if GGG was a bit in decline (deffo in II).

The issue there is that GGG himself doesn't have anyone (other than Canelo!!) on his resume either. Both guys could have done with a couple more Ward/Froch/Hopkins at prime/ near-prime to really measure them.

Calzaghe also got the same stick (and still does!!!) for his lack of A/A+ on his resume, it wasn't really till LAcy, then Kessler and Hopkins on top of that that anyone really gave JC any credit at all. Even though he had quite a lot of B/B+ on his resume (Robin Reid, Charles Brewer, Byron Mitchell, late-career Eubank)

 

Canelo said he knew he broke Saunder's cheek. He could feel it. He could also see Saunders was really hurt and stopped throwing back; just doing everything he could to protect that eye.

Canelo started celebrating because he knew right there it was over. Saunders was done.

 

I am not talking about this last fight but in general.

 

So am I. Getting the nod in close fights does not equal corruption.

 

That's reductionist, and note that Floyd and Ward both have detractors for similar reasons - A-side behaviour, stacked deck in their favour.

Why is it always so black and white? There are plenty of boxing fans that can see that those fighters are great talents, but find that some of their (or at least their whole teams) behaviour is not as 'sportsmanlike' as it maybe should be to get maximum plaudits - compare to Usyk's run at Cruiserweight, no one can really put a * next to any of his wins, because he did it the hard way without any 'elite protection'.

I would have liked to have seen Ward get his passport and fight Kessler in Copenhagen (or Froch in Nottingham) and see how he would have fared without getting away with multiple headbutts and low- blows. He was talented enough to win without that ****.

I would have loved to have seen Floyd take on Pacman 5 years earlier - win/lose/draw it would have elevated BOTH of their legacies.

I would have rated Canelo MUCH higher if he hadn't vacated 160 after beating Cotto and wait another 2/3 years before taking on GGG - his then mandatory.

None of this means I can't see that Ward, Mayweather or Canelo are special fighters (they are), I just think they if they were really ATG special, they would show that when the deck is NOT stacked in their favour, and they never did that IMO. Canelo still has time - fight Bivol or Beterbiev in MSG away from Vegas or summat. That would go a long way for many folks.

 

Oh you must be right if the two judges were right. How silly of me!

 

**** Clenelo. Stop hyping him up just to make Floyd look better by extension, he doesn't need it.

 

There were times all 3 guys were the B side and not A side when they had to take what the A side dictated. Your job is to defeat the A side so you become the A side. Froch and Kessler did not lose to Ward because the fights were not in Copenhagen or Nottingham rather they lost because Ward was better. Ward was open to a rematch with Froch at Wembley but the truth is Froch did not want it and quite frankly why would he when Ward beats the **** out of him every day of the week and twice on Sundays and would have stopped him in a rematch. Pacquiao could have fought Floyd earlier but he refused to take the drugs test. I wonder why?

 

Clearly you don’t understand how fights are scored. Maybe you should stick to watching MMA as boxing is not for you.

 

I appreciate Canelo as a boxer; he is tough and dedicated to his craft. His stature is high because of his hordes of Mexican fans; if he was from Spain he'd be a good but with a low level of popularity.

Every ATG's have Wars with opponents that were just as good. The 168 boxers today are very very weak. Fielding, Smith, Saunders, Plant? Not exactly a Murderous Row. No Toney, Ward, RJJ in the lot. That's not Canelos fault, but it is what it is.

The most equal guy to his ability was GGG, who beat Canelo (I don't care what Boxrec says) and drew with him. Yes he was young but still Floyd toyed with him.

I want to see what he does with Bivol and/or Beterviev or if he even tries to fight them.

 

Point i'm making is that Ward would never have gotten away with his blatant fouling against Kessler in the WBSS in Copenhagen. He got away with some real crap in that fight and should have had at least a point deduction, but the butt damage done to Kessler ruined the fight as a contest IMO. He got away with similar blatant fouling against Kovalev also.

As to why Froch vs Ward never happened in Nottingham or Wembley, there are conflicting stories and sides to it, but the fact remains, Ward never got out his passort and travelled (something that Calzaghe got a huge amount of stick for).

Riddle me this - how was Ward the only fighter in the original Super Six to have ALL his fights in his home country?

Answer - Elite Protection

 

Correct.
But everytime?Does that not mean something?
What about his clenbuterol suspension and slap on the wrist?

 

The problem with Canelo is that he is a nasty guy. Kinda like Andre Ward. When he goes away most people will be happy.
Andre Ward is almost forgotten now. I think Canelo will also vaporize like a "fart in a wind".

 

He got a ban something worse culprits like Saunders never got. Subsequently we discovered that a lot of meat in Mexico is contaminated with Clenbuterol.

 

Respectively disagree

Boxing as much as i lovs it is corrupt and i firmly believe Canelo has protection