Canelo doesnt have a single ATG type win.

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  1. floydwhittaker

    floydwhittaker New Member Full Member

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    You mean manny? Adding weight limits, and we gonna talk about how he ducked the drug test in 2009 and waited for floyd to get old and took the same drug test in 2015?
     
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    granth Well-Known Member Full Member

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  3. floydwhittaker

    floydwhittaker New Member Full Member

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    Yeah but he still made him do all that bull****. Why does a ATG fighter have a rehydration limit? Why he draining his opponent even more instead of letting him rest.
     
  4. floydwhittaker

    floydwhittaker New Member Full Member

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    Idec about that. he would automatically be a ATG to me if he actually fought a worthy opponent. One good worthy opponent and beat him convincgly. David is a good option
    Charlo and Demetrius when they move up. Any fighter just wish he fought one elite fighter in their prime and beat them convincgly
     
  5. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Every star fighter in history has gotten star treatment using that against Canelo is just an excuse used to hate... Leonard, Hoya, Tyson,Morales,Mayweather,Pacquiao have all done the same
     
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You got it all wrong. Jacobs himself lobbied the IBF to get the rule changed, after Jacobs refused to comply with the rule vs GGG. Canelo's side merely agreed to the IBF rule that already existed, but Jacobs yet again refused to comply with it.
     
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  7. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let’s be real Canelo does not have a true All time great win but that’s simply because it’s not GREAT fighters for him to fight,
    There are no Morales’s and Barrera’s no Castillo’s or hernanadez’s for him no durans and herns
    If we’re being honest most of the biggest wins in history are close debated 50/50 fights but there between 2 GREAT fighters none of these current fighters are really trying to be great.. so while Canelo can become an all timer is mainly gonna be due to depth and totality more so than any particular set of fighters.
    These other fighters have no ambition so in turn beating them only does so much
     
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  8. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. banned Full Member

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    His complete body if work is good though.
     
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  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's pretty subjective on who people consider ATGs these days or if merely beating an ATG means that it's an ATG win. I mean, he beat Mosley, Mosley seems to be pretty solidly an ATG, it was a much older Mosley that Canelo beat, but still a clear win over an ATG. Judging by how high his fans rate him, GGG will be considered an ATG. Cotto, he's considered an ATG. Kovalev, probably an ATG.

    So he might not have beaten a bonafide ATG while they are clearly in their prime. But a lot of that has to do with the fact that he's beating fighters who could be considered ATG if they didn't fight him. Like take Saunders, for example. He was 30-0, had he found a way to beat Canelo by decison, most would have then considered Saunders an ATG by virtue of that win alone and by still being undefeated. But then Canelo destroys him, now Saunders can't be an ATG. If Saunders avoided Canelo and finished his career undefaeted, many may have considered him an ATG. Callum Smith, lets say he never fought Canelo. But finishes his career unbeaten. Maybe he would then be considered an ATG.

    Canelo's beat a good amount of ATGs throughout his career, but many of them were considered past their prime. The fact is that he continues to destroy fighters that could be considered ATGs, but won't be by fans because of the manner in which he demolishes them. That's not his fault. Canelo continually destroys fighters who could be ATGs, but not after he wrecks them.
     
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  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree he doesn't have the convincing top wins of Jones, Whitaker or Pac of more recent times, but how many has Floyd got outside of Corrales?
     
  11. Dodgy Syrup

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    It's not that he doesn't exist, more that he isn't high on the list of priorities.
     
  12. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1 win does not make you an all time great.. at best the fighters you mention in Kovalev and GGG are hofers Kova more solidly so than GGG who probably not but is hyped so maybe Cotto is a ATG the rest you mention tho have absolutely no chances at all.
    Saunders has no good wins in his career even without Canelo, nor smith nor Jacobs or even GGg for that matter..
    1 win and a career of fighting bums doesn’t mean squat fighters have off night’s styles could come into play.. GREATNESS is a sustained excellence that’s the issue with this generation and why we don’t get good fights, fans are cool with they favorite fighter facing bum after bum after bum waiting for one fight hoping they can get chosen by the top dog instead of making their own legacy.

    Saunders and Andrade are billed as 2-division champs yet both never beat a champ in the ring both won vacant titles and neither ever defended vs a top 5 opponent... ain’t nothing ATG about that, GGG claim to fame is his fake defense record even tho he really only has 8/9 REAL title defenses and even then look at that lost is a list of guys who’ve never won a big fight EVER you can’t name not one notable thing any GGG opponent has done on their career except lose to other fighters outside of Canelo and Canelo beat GGG..
    No single win makes you great y’all fans need to stop accepting this bs, 1 win trying to prop it up like it’s greatness.
     
  13. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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  14. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wasn't he praising Canelo in another thread ????
     
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