***Golovkin was very talented, why did he take the way route?***

You are the worst poster on this forum. Not easy to achieve but you've done it easily.

 

The fight between Golovkin and Jacobs constituted a 75-25 split for GGG because of the WBA's rules. Jacobs' people asked for 60-40.

I don't need to repeat myself, but I will. Regardless of Lemiuex's stature, he was not even in terms of stature with GGG. Loeffler gave Golden Boy more so Lemiuex wouldn't take his optional defense.

Let's not act like all who come from outside America to fight here are on the same footing. Demographics matter, which means some fighters (e.g. Mexicans) have a much easier time building an audience. And those who can capture a larger share of the pie tend to get favors done for them. It's always been that way. Golovkin didn't have that luxury.

If I remember correctly, Lara "calling" Golovkin out was one tweet and Lara wasn't running his social media account at the time. You are putting far too much emphasis on talk, however. Golovkin was never in serious talks with Chavez Jr., Lara, Trout, etc. None of them sent him contracts and GGG likewise never sent them anything. There was no reason he needed to, either, seeing as his focus was middleweight. Golovkin repeatedly stated it was and more important than that, he acted like it was. And geez dude, the Rolls fight was little more than a stay-busy bout. That is a long ways away from the weight clauses others ask for in championship bouts, e.g. Pacquiao, Mayweather, Alvarez, Cotto, etc.

What makes me say Cotto never offered Golovkin anything is the fact that he never offered him anything. There is no record of negotiation and most people understood why at the time. Cotto was a natural welterweight who caught Martinez at the right time. He was never going to make 160 his home. He was past his prime and at the stage of taking calculated risks. That is why every middleweight fight Cotto had he had at a catch-weight. It just made too much sense back then: why would Cotto bother with Golovkin when Alvarez was on the table? It's not difficult math.

Some of your data is off. Jacobs also fought Pirog, who was a titlist.

"Let’s stop playing games here I don’t think highly of most of these new fighters but AT LEAST o can say world champion and point out something they’ve done... GGG opponents get a name because GGG struggled and even if they never do anything before or after are touted as quality fighters.."

When you cut through all of the crap, my point remains. Jacobs was near the level of both Golovkin and Alvarez based on his performances against them. Many people thought Jacobs was competitive with Alvarez, including the judges. Let's make it easier, though. If Jacobs and Derevyanchenko were the same weight as Trout and Lara, those would likely be closely contested bouts, indicating that Alvarez's competition is not significantly better than Golovkin's.

 

I guess you could say there were a few stages to GGGs career.

He already went pro a touch late at 24.

He then milled around in obscurity for the firest 5-6 years of his career in Germany under the radar.

He then had his purple patch for a few years of knocking out top 10 level guys, until he came up against Canelo with those 2 contrroversial decisions.

The last stage of his career has been him saying "screw it, Ive put in my years, Im making money now"

 

Doesn't looks that german business ever had wanted to make him a champ or get him good fights.
He wasn't Otkke or Sturm, famous examples what means to be favorite in Germany.

Funny how laughable are Canelo fans": they are posting that GGG was nothing special and had beat nobody etc like casual fans yelling.
Then they also demands to gave Canelo credit for these fights vs GGG.

According to some posters here logic GGG was nothing special.
So, if this: Canelo get gifted decision vs boxer nothing special, why there he needs any " credit".

He is old.

Canelo ofc does have better fanbase and the more the better.
Good fanbase with strange fans.
Canelo fans in this forum are damn funny.
They post how bad boxers canelo will fight in his next fight.
Then they are yelling how everyone not giving him " credit " is " hater ".

Why to hate boxer? Cos Canelo fans are dreamers.

 

There are two chapters in GGG's career. Between 2010-2016, the phrase "ducked" was indeed correct. There was not a single middleweight that he could've fought but didn't at that time period. Some of the Canelo fans have probably been lying about him receiving an offer for a fight at 155 after Canelo vacated the belt, but that's just that, a lie. There's a direct statement from Canelo saying that there was no weight issue, that he'd fight at 160 right before he vacated the belt. The fight didn't happen at the time because Canelo/GBP didn't want it, whether It was because they tought It'd be more lucrative in the later year or they wanted GGG to look slower and more beatable before taking him on, is up to the audience to decide. The same thing with Saunders. He started showing interest in the fight in in 2017 and onwards, but before that, after he beat Andy Lee to win the WBO title, he rejected like 4x of his career high payday to unify with Golovkin. After 2017 and onwards, he's been in the position to fight any MW he wanted, but after Jacobs, Canelox2 and Deravyenchenko, he's been on the retirement tour. I just hope he doesn't go out like Maravilla did and gives a chance to at least one of Andrade, Murata or Charlo before he retires.

Take a look at his WBA title reign. He won a piece of the WBA in 2010, became the "regular" champ in 2011 and then had to wait for 3 years to be promoted to the "super" championship because they couldn't get anyone to fight him for the super title. The same thing with the "lineal" title. He first got ranked by the ring in 2011, became the #1 ranked MW in 2013, and then had to wait for 4 years before he got a shot at the lineal champ. Compare that to Canelo's first title where fought for the vacant WBC jr MW title without having to fight at the full jr MW limit, against an opponent who had never fought at jr MW before. But of course, Canelo deserves a lot of credit for his career ever since stepping in with GGG, with his activity and the way he's been dominating the SMW division with an iron fist.

You can believe he should've moved up or down when he struggled to get fights at 160, or believe that fighters have every right to spend their careers at their most comfortable weight. It's understandable either way.

 

This is a good point that bears repeating.

So much in this sport/business depends on where you're from. Any US or UK boxer starts with a huge advantage in their country of origin. These are huge markets with big media value. It's a lot easier for these guys to get the big money fights.

Take two boxers of equal skills, one from Kazachstan, the other the US and the latter has a massive advantage. The likes of Golovkin and Usyk have to battle not only opponents, but forever being the outsider, the obstacle to the promoters getting the champs they really want, the ones who can bring in the US fight fans, or the Latino fans or best of all, both....

I wish some of GGG's critics would acknowledge this basic truth.

 

Yeah.
The best wanted prospects for big promoters are: amateur superstars from U.S or U.K
There are a lot of examples with such boxers and there doesn't matters: this is just ammy, amateur doesn't counts.
Counts like as from heaven. Bunches with highly ranked pro boxers who had notable pro fights are former amateur superstars or at least amateur stars and from U.S or U.K.
Next level: from U.S or U.K or Mexico with nice looking pro boxing record and high stoppages %.

Yeah.
Also depends from who is your promoter + your passport, sadly.

Usyk had to rack 9-0-0 pro boxing record with 9 KOs to get title fight vs Glowacki ( from Poland ) in Poland. Where Glowacki was tickets seller.
Loma had promoter in bob and he get title fight in his 2 nd pro fight, this is rarity in pro boxing. While I agree with decision to gave him next title fight because guy who Loma had no beat on cards was not champ after this fight: he lost belt on scales befor fight.
The same Briedis too was example how they get chance to have belt: to fight vs tickets seller Huck from Germany in Huck's own promotion, Huck company had been event's co promoter.

 

This is a wall of bull****.

 

His resume is not very impressive.

“Canelo” is the only real name with any weight on it,
And we all know what a high opinion the GGG fans on this board have of him.

 

Damn, Hagler would have lost you too, he never fought Spinks, and all the light heavyweights, then he went on to lose to a former welterweight coming out of retirement. Ward was a light heavyweight. GGG had no obligation to fight that list while Canelo was pretending to be too small. It's just as well he lost you as a fan. Good thing for you Canelo has all the judges in his back pocket or the fighter you despise would have two wins over your hero.