Name a boxer you're convinced is NOT "juicing".....

Do you believe Evander used?

Also Tommy Morrison admited to using steroids and never popped.Same with Mia St John.

 

J-Rock Williams. B/c he's to small to deal with 154lbers and to big to make 147lb. If he juiced he would have better punch resistance and power to compliment his good skills.

 

To piggyback off of part of this: Mia St. John said "everyone" was using PEDs back in the 2000s. It's obvious to state not all fighters were using, but if it was common 15-20 years ago, that surely must be the case today.

 

Eric Molina. Because he responds to damages like a normal athlete would. He gets hurt, he suffers the pain, he complains, he quits. Unlike the juiced fighters who take lots of punches but continue the fight as if they are comic book super heroes, like Wolverine or Deadpool.

 

I believe alot of people are juicing..but til they pop I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

I've found that since canelo popped dirty everyone's started saying "all top athletes are on Peds" like it's ok.

Soon as you fail a test ..you can **** off in my eyes...til then..I can remain skeptical and think some people are juicing..but til I see it official..I'll give them the benefit of the doubt

 

Zero huh? Then he must be a sponge!

 

They are all guilty until Harvey Specter proves they are innocent in court.

Trust nobody.

 

I have no reason to believe they are juicing, but the fact that they have been fairly fat or loose in physique forever does not prove anything.
Besides that some PEDs help with recovery & endurance, guys can add more muscle than they would have otherwise although it is hiden under fat.
James Toney as a 230 something short HW is a prime example!

Again, I am not saying those Mexican dudes have ever juiced, just that being chubby or fat proves nothing.

 

Most people on here call out boxers for doping - it's really frowned upon by those who love the sport. So to then say 'all boxers use PEDs' makes zero sense. Why wouldn't people who think like us also be professional boxers?

I have no doubt a significant percentage of boxers take PEDs. I'm also equally sure there those who don't. The ratio between these two groups probably changes in favour of cheaters the further up the boxing food chain they go, but to say they all dope is lazy thinking. And then to label people who question the argument that all top athletes dope as 'naive' is a lame way to stand on a pedestal. Dismissing nuance with catch-all conclusions based on supposition and cynicism is the kind of thinking which fuels conspiracy theories.

All boxers dope and the world is flat...

 

How can anyone really know?

It's impossible to say who isn't juicing.

What would be the indicator?

Getting tired like a normal person?

Not having explosive power?

How can we say that is because the fighter isn't on PEDs?

There's no way to know, short of the glaringly obvious - which is by testing.

If boxing had a sophisticated, reliable, consistent, agency solely responsible for doping in the sport, which was completely independent and performed by medical professionals with no relation to boxing and with no conflict of interest, we'd know who was clean.

Now, you might well say those types of organisations already exist.

But, are they effective?

Are they so good that fighters won't dare use PEDs?

No, because even if they get caught It's usually not a career ending incident.

Personally, I'd give all fighters 6 months to get whatever is in their system out of their system, and after that you get once chance.

One.

Fail, and you are banned for 10 years.

This effectively ends the career of a large number of fighters.

Most importantly, it must be a global sanction that can not be ignored by fighting in another country - or, in the case of the U.S, another state.

Zero tolerance, global jurisdiction, clean up the sport.

Of course, there is almost zero will to really tackle this issue so it won't stop any time soon.

 

How many distance runners or cyclists are stacked like the hulk? None. But they're all on peds, peds have a lot of uses besides beefing yourself up

 

So basicall if they have the possibility and ability to cheat without getting caught they are clean in your view.
That is a simpleton pov,no offence.

Shane Mosley is another example of a guy who was juicing and never popped.

My point is:VERYONE who has the money and possibility uses,weather they get caught or not depends on their connections.

 

Perhaps it's because performing to the highest level that's expected isn't possible naturally?

 

Calls someone a simpleton then says no offence lol

Ok..which active boxers are on Peds...use your mark 1 eyeballs and tell me ..for definite who is

 

Everybody who has the possibility is.

Its not an eye test,it s using common sense.