We take the mighty Joe Louis, and make him born in the year 2000. How would Joe look today, as a fighter? Let's assume he has the same frame as he did back then. 6'2" with the same reach. Let's give him all the benefits today's fighters have. Does his style change at all? If so, what specifically do you think changes? Does his style stay the same? What about fighting with bigger gloves? Does anything offensively and defensively change? What would his weight be? Do we have anyone out there today who is a reasonable comparison? The question is not how he performs against today's fighters, but rather what kind of fighter would he be today.
He’d be in Miami doing instagram videos with Vida Guerra. seriously though I dont see how or why fighting today would change his style.
I think that a modern trainer, would probably put him in a more conventional stance, with his right shoulder further forward and a slightly higher guard. Other than that, his strengths and weaknesses would be broadly the same. I don't think that the gloved would make much difference. As for weight, he would find the modern cruiserweight division well suited to him, and if he wanted to step up to heavyweight, then he could come in at 215 - 220 without sacrificing anything. Obviously the one thing that he won't get is Jack Blackburn. He is probably a fighter who needed the right trainer, to scale the heights of greatness that he did.
Thanks. What I was looking for. Don't you think the larger gloves used today would slightly alter his defense at all? (I know you addressed the question, but I want to probe a bit deeper into this.) Also, do you think he'd have to punch around a fighter's tight high guard, as opposed to shooting straight down the middle? What about certain aspects of his training, roadwork for example. I was thinking that whatever shoes/boots they ran in, the soles were probably leather. Not very comfortable. I'm thinking that modern running sneakers would have been a revelation to him. I wonder how that would translate into direct benefits.
Taking your points in turn. Yes I think that the bigger gloves make blocking easier, and countering harder, and this would be reflected in his approach. The modern boxing stance makes it harder to get out of harms way than the old school boxing stance, but the payoff is that it gives your right hand less distance of travel to the target. This is why fighters who use the moderns stance, almost invariably use a higher guard. I imagine that Louis would have been no exception, especially given his style. A modern trainer might give him less emphasis on roadwork, and might introduce interval training. I think that the modern running shoes do make distance running easier, but then people always seem to have managed.
It would make countering easier... His "Old school stance" is fundamentally perfect I scarcely saw a boxer in his era that looked similar did you? the lot of it all came from St Pauls anyways, today is those fundamentals and style wedded to todays formula nothing is new
Ok It depends. Do we also bring Jack Blackburn with a time machine to coach Joe since he is a kid ? Or does Joe learn to box from a new trainer ? His style will be formed/developed by the guys who teach him how to box and train him. Of course it does. Modern gloves have more padding and thus inflict less damage. On the plus side, they make blocking easier Don't know an exact number, but he will likely weigh more, which I think will improve his ability to withstand a punch, but at the same time it will affect him negatively in the sense that he'll lose some speed and thus, punching power and accuracy.
If Joey Blackburn weren’t here with him there’d be a distinct possibility he’d have a different style, but something tells me he’d always be a puncher in some form or another. Guy was made for it. If he were born in 2000, there’s also a possibility he’d still be in the amateurs as most heavyweights don’t turn pro that young anymore. Fighters like Daniel Dubois are the exception not the norm these days. As for his size, due to training and nutritional guidelines he may be 15-20 lbs heavier, though at such a young age cruiser weight may be a better starting point
Janitor has pretty much covered this, so I won't repeat everything he said. I'll just say I would also expect his career to go about the way Evander Holyfield's did, start as a Cruiserweight, become Lineal Champion, then move onto Heavyweight and also become Lineal Champion there.
Joe Louis was born in Alabama. He wouldn't have participated in the great migration north, as so many back then did. So, he likely would still live in Alabama. Given how the U.S. Amateur boxing program is these days, had he boxed in the amateurs, he wouldn't have gotten expert training, so he probably wouldn't have stuck around the amateurs very long. Who are his pro trainers? The only trainers of Alabama heavyweights (I mean heavyweight) I know of, until recently, were Mark Breland and Jay Deas. How would Joe do with Breland and Deas? What would mumbling Mark and Jay "Yeah, that's it" teach him? Joe certainly would've picked up on the fact that he hit hard. Although he only weighed around 200, he may have gambled and fought at heavyweight, despite giving up a bunch of weight to just about everyone he faced. Joe wouldn't have to worry about "aw shucks'ing" it for people afraid of black fighters ... He'd have grown up in the tattoo age, so he'd be covered with tats, likely. And he would've grown up listening to rap and, even though he wasn't a good speaker, tried his best to act tough - since that's what young black men do (although he'd say the cringeworthy things now and then.) And, since he wouldn't be taught to hide his emotions and never celebrate when he scored a KO, particularly against a white man, he'd likely celebrate his KO wins and dance around a little bit, but awkwardly, because he really isn't very cool. I don't know, Joe Louis would probably be an Alabama heavyweight, who didn't have the best trainers, who relied on his power to win, and gave up a bunch of weight to his heavyweight opponents ... a guy who liked rap, had a lot of tats, and wasn't the greatest speaker, but tried to act tough ... who liked to celebrate when he scored a KO win. But, even with the change in eras, I believe Joe still would've earned fame while knocking everyone's heads off. And, who knows, maybe, despite all that weight he had to give up to opponents and the lack of expert teaching, he still manages to win a heavyweight title and string together 10 or so title defenses, instead of 25. And, maybe, even though Jack Johnson criticized Joe Louis in Joe's day, maybe if Joe Louis had been born in this era, he would've helped Jack Johnson get that presidential pardon he so wanted. Too bad there isn't a heavyweight like that right now. I'm sure everyone would totally embrace him. (LOL)