Dariusz Michalczewski vs Canelo Alvarez in Light Heavyweight.

I have badly underrated Canelo in the past, but he has proven himself and gave me reason to admit I was wrong. However, his 175 resume is a shot Kovalev. DM was a serious proven operator at 175. Canelo has not done that yet. Who knows? Maybe he will. Maybe he won't. At this point, my money would be on prime DM

 

During Mike Tyson interview Canelo himself said he would be too small for LHW, but according to this board nobody can defeat him at LHW lol

Canelo: I'm too small for lhw.
Esb: Canelo crashes everyone at lhw.

 

A man of knowledge

DM brutalized him with that jab, all night

 

Dariusz is the natural Light H.W. fighter but Canelo is not. Canelo would be sent to the canvas and would get KO'ed for the first time in his life.

 

Dariusz was one of those German fighters who only fought eurobum types. The type of fighter like Vincent Feigenbutz who Caleb Plant beat up. Some bum who is impressive on the regional scene in Europe but is way out of their element on the global stage. Canelo by KO in any round he wants.

 

How many is "many"?

 

he beat a couple of proven fighters on the world stage, but he had a lot of stiffs on his resume too, but he wasn't going near the US and roy jones to save his life.

 

Okey, alll these boxers who are U.S hometown boxers are better, just because they are milking their titles in U.S.
There had been and currently are enough examples when boxers are sitting on 1 org belt and does not unify anything for long years.
More than this, there had been US boxers who stayed under one! boxing org for longer than 4 years in row without 1 single unification fight vs champs from other orgs.

Of course if this boxer is from US, this is normal and he had fought the best boxers in his division.
$$$ over ambition?
Come on, prizefighting is a business.
If there enough $, youtuber might fight vs grappler in boxing fight, we already had saw this, mma fighter vs boxer under boxing rules as pro boxing debut vs seasoned pro boxer, we already had saw this reality.
$ rullz.

 

Not sure what you are going on about?
Just seems like a lame response

 

To explain why I wanted clarity on prime, is because as I said previously, it is an argument that is often used with an agenda on here in debates.

For example -

1. If a past prime fighter beats another past prime fighter, is it a good win? Like say F Mayweather/M Pacquiao

2. Or if a prime fighter loses to a considered past prime fighter, are they no longer considered world class? Say for example M Moorer/G Foreman

3. Or if a decent champion beats a prime undefeated fighter, was that prime undefeated fighter supposedly suddenly not good to begin with when they were hyped before a fight and in some cases favoured to win? Say for example L Lewis/M Grant

4. Do we judge fighters that may be past their prime still scoring good wins differently?

When Calzaghe (who you keep getting upset about) came to the attention of casual fans in beating Lacy he was older than some other established SMW champs were when they had had their last fight ie -

Benn
Eubank
Collins
Ward
Groves
Degale

Consider Kessler was only a couple of months older than Calzaghe at that time when having his last fight with the Froch rematch

So was he prime at that time?



So to answer your question, please specify the opponents who you are querying as I have pointed out that prime can be an agenda argument rather than a question. If you say Hopkins for example, was he past his prime due to his age or not considering Calzaghe beat him sandwiched between arguably Hopkins best wins of Tarver, Wright and Pavlik. Or do you put said fighters and Pascal in example 2?


So tell me who you are questioning and I will answer


There you go. Broken down for you and ready for you to continue ducking. I asked for some clarity and you completely back down

 

To explain why I wanted clarity on prime, is because as I said previously, it is an argument that is often used with an agenda on here in debates.

For example -

1. If a past prime fighter beats another past prime fighter, is it a good win? Like say F Mayweather/M Pacquiao

2. Or if a prime fighter loses to a considered past prime fighter, are they no longer considered world class? Say for example M Moorer/G Foreman

3. Or if a decent champion beats a prime undefeated fighter, was that prime undefeated fighter supposedly suddenly not good to begin with when they were hyped before a fight and in some cases favoured to win? Say for example L Lewis/M Grant

4. Do we judge fighters that may be past their prime still scoring good wins differently?

When Calzaghe (who you keep getting upset about) came to the attention of casual fans in beating Lacy he was older than some other established SMW champs were when they had had their last fight ie -

Benn
Eubank
Collins
Ward
Groves
Degale

Consider Kessler was only a couple of months older than Calzaghe at that time when having his last fight with the Froch rematch

So was he prime at that time?



So to answer your question, please specify the opponents who you are querying as I have pointed out that prime can be an agenda argument rather than a question. If you say Hopkins for example, was he past his prime due to his age or not considering Calzaghe beat him sandwiched between arguably Hopkins best wins of Tarver, Wright and Pavlik. Or do you put said fighters and Pascal in example 2?


So tell me who you are questioning and I will answer


There you go. Broken down for you and ready for you to continue ducking. I asked for some clarity and you completely back down

 

The TIGER roars!!

 

fighters who go to the US get their career defining fights.

 

only you could take a simple question and turn it into a novel, without ever answering it.

 

Okey, everyone does have rights to have his own criteria for boxers evaluation.

I do have more realistic criteria.
If you think that for Canelo might be easy to beat D.M because this did not fought in U.S with US hometown boxers, then okey.
GGG and Kovalev had fought in US therefore you really are so sure that their prime versions had beated D.M with ease?
D.M was natural LHW dude, considerably larger than GGG and more athletic than Smith or Jacobs.
Canelo didn't had finished nor Smith, nor GGG 2 fights nor Jacobs.
From where I should believe that he might with ease beat prime D.M?
Only 1 LHW boxer he had beat was 36 y.o " shot " Kovalev and this took him 11 rounds until he landed on him properly.
Since Kovalev already had been finished in distance by Eleider and had hard time vs Yarde with 2 rounds there as real hell for Kovalev, I wasn't surprised that Canelo finished him. Really opposite: a bit interesting that he lasted so long until get finished.