the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Ray Leonard vs. Marcos Geraldo, middleweight bout scheduled for 10 rounds on May 20, 1979, at the Centroplex in Baton Rouge, La., in front of a crowd estimated at 12,000.

Leonard is 21-0 (13) and weighs in at 153 in his street clothes. He’s 23 years old.

Geraldo is 51-14 (26) and scales 160. He’s 24 and holds the California and Mexican middleweight championships. He has won eight bouts in a row, all by knockout (Keith Jackson on the call for ABC says seven, I’m going by Boxrec).

Listed anywhere from 5-11 to 61, Marcos holds a four-inch reach advantage. I lean toward 6-1 as he is visible taller by a margin over the 5-10 Leonard.

You have to wonder if Angelo Dundee didn’t select Geraldo as an opponent for Leonard to get in some prep for a bound-to-happen-someday showdown with Thomas Hearns, to see how he does with a taller guy and what they might need to work on as these two are definitely on a collision course. Jackson on commentary even mentions that Hearns stopped Harold Weston earlier in the day.

Ray already has a contract in hand to face Wilfred Benitez six months hence for the WBC welterweight crown, but he not only fights Geraldo but fights three more times (vs. Tony Chiaverini, Pete Ranzany and Andy Price) before that fight takes place.

Here’s my scoring:

Round 1 — Even: not much doing

Round 2 — Leonard: Leonard is just too fast, lands some nice left hooks

Round 3 — Leonard: Good action round, Geraldo throwing punches in bunches and does good body work but Ray throws some combinations with laser-like precision

Round 4 — Leonard: Much slower round, Leonard lands a big left hook at the bell

Round 5 — Geraldo: Marcos takes it with his body work

Round 6 — Geraldo: Another slow round and again Marcos works the body well

Round 7 — Leonard: Geraldo stars fast but Ray digs in and lands some solid, flashy shots

Round 8 — Leonard: Ray circles a lot and the pace slowed, sizzling right late is the decider in Ray’s favor

Round 9 — Leonard: Sizzling right hands and left hooks put this round on Leonard’s ledger but several good exchanges

Round 10 — Geraldo: He’s busier and fights the full three minutes

My card: 6-3 Leonard (one even); I used the round system as that’s how they did it in Louisiana at this point in time, would be 97-94 by the 10-point must system.

Official scoring: 7-2, 6-3, 6-3, all for Leonard

This fight is a good test for Leonard at this stage against a bigger man who is able to rough him up a bit at times. He’s clearly the smaller man and picks his shots well. Noticeably absent for the most part is Ray’s jab. He throws and lands it infrequently, relying on right leads and left hooks to do most of his meaningful work.

Good scrap. If you haven’t seen it, I recommend it.

 

Charlie 'Choo-Choo' Brown v Harry Arroyo (IBF lightweight title)

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-8 Arroyo (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-9 Arroyo
Round 4: 10-9 Arroyo
Round 5: 10-9 Arroyo
Round 6: 10-10 Even
Round 7: 10-9 Brown
Round 8: 10-9 Brown
Round 9: 10-9 Brown
Round 10: 10-9 Brown
Round 11: 10-9 Arroyo
Round 12: 10-9 Arroyo
Round 13: 10-10 Even
Round 14: Arroyo stops Brown

Total through 13 completed rounds: 126-123 Arroyo (actual scores: 126-121, 125-121 and 125-122 all for Arroyo)

I recall watching this live when it took place and did not score but just enjoyed it. At the time - with a few bottles of suds in me - I thought it was comfortably to Arroyo. But now, watching it clearly with intent to score, I felt it was closer than back in the 80s. I think its because I was now taking the Fright Doctor with a grain of salt. You really have to zone out on him. He really was an Arroyo cheerleader. But I felt Harry really took his foot off the gas in those middle rounds, which allowed Brown to comeback. I also disagreed with Pacheco after the 3rd when I heard him say, 'Another 10-8 round for Arroyo.' I said, whooa, slow down there. Arroyo did good that round, but not enough for a 10-8. Aside from all that, I enjoyed the fight. Harry's jaw was amazing because Choo-Choo hit him some lethal shots and that jaw kept him there enabling him to regain control after those middle rounds. Never was Harry hurt and he stuck to business, taking advantage where and when he could, dropping Brown in the 2nd and stunning him a couple of more times during the fight before stopping him in the 14th. Good fight.

 

Gennady Golovkin vs Saul "Canelo" Alvarez I

Round 1: 10-9 Canelo
Round 2: 10-9 Canelo
Round 3 10-9 Golovkin
Round 4: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 5: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 6: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 7: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 8: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 9: 10-9 Golovkin
Roun 10: 10-9 Golovkin
Round 11: 10-10 even
Round 12: 10-9 Canelo

117-112 GGG

 

Wow! What a coincidence. I rewatched this last night for the first time since it happened. I was gonna watch the second before I posed about it, but **** it; here goes.

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10 : 9
10 : 9
10 : 9* (40/36)
9 : 10*
9 : 10
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9 : 10 (76/76)
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9 : 10*
10 : 9*
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I've never understood the controversy around the actual result, here. Sure, the 118-110 card is absolutely ridiculous, and should've had much, much more serious ramifications, but I don't see why a draw isn't a fair result. I remember on the night thinking GGG had won 115-113, and GGG was my favourite fighter at the time and the first boxer I ever truly routed for and loved, so I desperately hoping he'd win. But I was angry with the draw. I was with the card, itself but not the result. I'm perfectly happy to concede that if it should've gone to anyone, GGG was that man. And I can also fully agree with the idea that more of the swing rounds which I was more lenient to Canelo in could've gone to GGG. My only issue with this fight is having it wide. There's absolutely no basis in saying that either of these two fights were anything but razor thin.

GGG really applied the pressure well in the mid rounds, worked the jab well and found some nice shots which Canelo couldn't have been comfortable taking. His style is still one of my favourites; that stalking, effortless ring-cutting and the nasty short shots that he rained down when he got his guy caught up on the ropes are brutal; and the jab he worked on the way in was brilliant. I especially liked how it went from a Liston-esque sledgehammer to a more versatile, dynamic jab in a way almost reminiscent of George Foreman's. Shame he didn't go the body more, he'd have really sealed the deal, if he had IMO.

Canelo has always been a very authoritative ring general IMO, and it's why he's able to make this big punchers and brutes fight like pussies. His feints were always the thing that impressed me the most - and they are still one of my favourite things about him - but nowadays it's how authoritative he is in his style application. When he's walking you down, he's going to the body and exploiting openings as he goes, making you instinctively back off. It helps that he's freakishly strong. When someone liem Jacobs or Kovalev squared up to force him off, he was smart enough to fire off a combo and make them go straight to backing off. I'd love to see him try with someone like Gene Fullmer. Gene had his issues with smaller, more compact guys who could force him back with a lower centre of gravity.

 

Another FOTW entry

Jose Luis Castillo v Diego Corrales I

Round 1: 10-9 Corrales
Round 2: 10-9 Corrales
Round 3: 10-9 Castillo
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Corrales
Round 6: 10-9 Castillo
Round 7: 10-10 Even
Round 8: 10-9 Corrales
Round 9: 10-9 Castillo
Round 10: Corrales stops Castillo but is dropped twice and has 1 point deducted for spitting out the mouthpiece before the end.

Total through 9 completed rounds: 87-86 Corrales (actual scores: 86-85 and 87-84 both for Corrales and an 87-84 for Castillo.

Nothing wrong with any of those scores. I'm sure ringside gave a different perception with the power of the shots landed. Just a fantastic fight. Interesting to think that if the round ended - IMO - I feel the battering along the ropes by Corrales would have negated one of the knockdowns, so I would have given Castillo a 10-7 round. But that is just whimsical as the fight was stopped at 2:06 - nowhere near the bell. But as we could see in this fight, anything could have happened.

 

And one more FOTW

Bobby Chacon v Cornelius Boza Edwards II

Round 1: 10-10 Even
Round 2: 10-8 Chacon (scores a knockdown)
Round 3: 10-8 Boza (scores a knockdown)
Round 4: 10-9 Boza
Round 5: 10-9 Boza
Round 6: 10-9 Boza
Round 7: 10-9 Boza
Round 8: 10-9 Chacon
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Chacon
Round 11: 10-9 Chacon
Round 12: 10-8 Chacon (scores a knockdown)

Total: 114-113 Chacon (actual scores: 115-113, 115-112 and 117-111 all for Chacon)

In a word; phenomenal!

 

I’m trying to remember if Choo-Choo Brown fought White Lightning Brown, contemporary namesake contender types around 135 at the same time.

They could have billed it: Good Grief.

“In the yellow trunks, with the jagged dark stripe ...”

 

Oscar de la Hoys v Hector 'macho' Camacho
WBC welterweight title (1997)

I went into this cold, never having watched or read about it before.
Not much to tell really. I won't post a scorecard because De La Hoya won every round.
My final score: 120-106 De La Hoya
The official scores:
120-105
120-106
118-108
Oscar scored a knockdown in the 9th round.

Camacho came into the fight in amazing condition for his age. (35) He looked very beefy across the shoulders and fit as a fiddle. So props to him for coming in the ring in great shape.
Oscar was just too big, too young (24) and too good.
Camacho's offense was paltry; a probing, sometimes flicking jab that never landed, and a straight left hand, seldom thrown. That was the extent of it.
From the 8th round Oscar started to reach Camacho properly and the fight went from being one-sided to lopsided. Camacho did well to finish the fight because Oscar really started to get some heavy punches in.
But yeah, miserable fight honestly.

 

Marvin Hagler vs. Marcos Geraldo, scheduled for 10 rounds on May 17, 1980, at Caesars Palace Sports Paviliion in Las Vegas.

Hagler is ranked No. 1 and Geraldo No. 5 per Tim Ryan on the call for CBS, although he doesn’t specify which rankings. Winner is expected to get a shot at the winner of the upcoming Alan Minter-Vito Antuofermo fight. Both weigh 160.

Marvin is 48-2-2, Marcos comes in 58-15. This is Hagler’s third fight since draw with Vito in his first try at the title, with second-round KOs over Loucif Hamani and Boogaloo Watts. Geraldo has fought twice, picking up two wins, including a stoppage over Johnny LoCicero, since losing over 10 rounds to Ray Leonard about a year before.

My scoring:

Round 1: Even, 10-10. Basically nothing happened.

Round 2: Geraldo 10-9. He lands some flurries and accurate straight shots.

Round 3: Hagler 10-9. Close. Marvin misses a lot but lands some good body punches.

Round 4: Hagler 10–9. Another close one, Hagler edges it with some winging shots that land.

Round 5: Geraldo 10-9. Busier. Hagler follows him around and doesn’t punch much.

Round 6: Geraldo 10-9. He takes it on the basis of a big flurry.

Round 7: Geraldo 10-9. Hagler triest to steal it late but Marcos is just busier. I have him up 4-2-1 in rounds at this point.

Round 8: Hagler 10-9. Marvin finally closes the distance and throws combinations and lands some big shots along the ropes.

Round 9: Hagler 10-9. Hagler, who has fought his fight about 95 percent southpaw, finally gets his right jab going.

Round 10: Hagler 10-9. Toe-to-toe action and Marvin’s power shots make the difference here. Crowds stands o applaud at the final bell.

My card: Hagler 96-95 (5-4-1 in rounds).

Official cards: 97-93, 97-94, 97-95. The Associated Press scores it 98-96 for Hagler.

About 4 1/2 months later, Hagler goes on to stop Minter for the unified (WBA/WBC) championship at middleweight. A couple of weeks before that, Geraldo is stopped in one by Caveman Lee.

Geraldo is hard to score because for the most point his punches don’t have a lot of pop, but he throws them in bunches and kind of reduces a lot of rounds to a few exchanges. Marvin couldn’t figure him out but was the stronger guy over the last three rounds and he rallied to avoid a huge setback.

 

@roughdiamond added this recently and I just loved it. Here we go.

Henry Hank v Gene (Ace) Armstrong (NY rounds basis)

Round 1: Armstrong
Round 2: Even
Round 3: Armstrong
Round 4: Armstrong
Round 5: Hank
Round 6: Armstrong
Round 7: Hank
Round 8: Armstrong
Round 9: Hank
Round 10: Hank

Total: 5-4-1 Armstrong (actual scores: 5-4-1, 6-3-1 and 8-1-1 all for Armstrong)

Only the 8-1-1 seems out of line with what happened. The other two are reasonable and I could also see a draw. A very tough fight and tough on the judge. Hank seemed lethargic, only fighting in spurts and let the fight get away. Don't know if he or the corner thought they could take Ace out whenever they wanted, but it was not to be. Regarding Ace, I was actually starting to cheer him on during the fight. I was really impressed with his box-fighter style in the pocket and with his beautiful short counters inside. Hank had the emphasis on power when he would let them rip, but Ace would fight back unperturbed and fight steadily which helped make this fight a conundrum on the judge. Do you like steady or intermittent power? Again, excellent fight.

 

Joe Cazalghe vs Bernard Hopkins ​

Rounds Won/Even
Cazalghe - 4,5,6,8,9,11,12
Hopkins - 1,3,10
Even - 2,7

Notes
*Knockdown in 1st round (10-8 Hopkins).

My Scorecard
(C)116 - 113(H)
Winner: Cazalghe ​

Decent fight. Lots of holding (initiated by Hopkins) & close rounds, but I gave it to Cazalghe - who had the better work-rate & forced the action.​

 

^said no-one, ever.

 

Lol

 

Had it 117-111 for Golovkin, but settled on 115-115 upon reviewing. Do you have cards for their fights against Jacobs?

 

I don't have cards, just scores. I had Canelo-Jacobs 114-114, and GGG-Jacobs 114-113.