We lost on an unification fight, but got two better fights instead....what's not to like?

Do we really want to bring PEDs into a conversation where Wilders resume hinges on Luis Ortiz stocks?

It's probably not that relevant given how many of these guys are probably popping and avoiding getting caught...

But if that's a mark against Whyte, it's a mark against Ortiz.

 

But you are missing my point, at no point have I said Wilder has a great resume, it’s solid as I have already said.

Im not, nor have I ever said it was anything other, but I believe he levels Whyte, Parker, Ruiz etc in a fight.

 

I can argue against it because Wilder does not go life and death in nearly every fight he’s in, also you have changed tact here and I honestly believe you have lost the line in which you was initially going....

And in your words Wilder getting rocked by Ortiz, then losing the rematch up until the finish proves Whyte has a better record? That makes literally no sense at all.

 

So, we get to see Fury beat a waste of space...again...and we see Joshua take on someone unproven at this weight?

That's a better result for you than a unification bout?

It's very unlikely, but not impossible, that one or both of them, Fury or Joshua, could lose and then we never get to see them fight...ever.

 

Honestly, I think that's very generous of you.

I think Whyte/Wilder is a 50/50 at best for Deontay; Ruiz fully fit probably swarms him and may well stop him - his chin is decent and Deontay doesn't like fighters who bring pressure. Parker I think he flattens, but Parker isn't the fighter he was a few years back.

The question remains whether Wilder can fight without his aura, IMHO - when fighters are putting him under more pressure, like Fury II, he'll find it difficult.

Will Wilder be the same if/when he comes back? We'll see, but I've got a funny feeling he won't be.

 

If Wilder fights Fury next he’s getting stopped and I think he’ll retire.

Fury has taken Wilders soul.

 

Wilder got EASILY outboxed by Ortiz until he landed his right. Wilder didn't go life and death because Ortiz didn't really press the action. Actually if i remember Wilder went life and death with bum Eric Molind and looked desperate against bum Artur Szpilka. It's also somewhat biased to point out Povetkin and Pulevs age but not point out Ortiz's, he could have been 50 for all we know. And Wilder ducked Whyte and Joshua and never fought the likes of Parker, Whyte and Chisora

 

The only thing I will say, though, is once that happens (if it happens) no-one will care that we missed that fight ever happening...

Just as no-one is all that bothered that Wilder never got an undisputed match against Joshua.
Sure, it's a fight we might still like to see, but no-one is as psyched about that potential matchup as they were before Fury-Wilder I and AJ-Ruiz I

 

I couldn't agree more.

Fury has way too much tactical variation available (due to being levels above in technical skill) and a good enough chin not to fear Deontay.

The main problem Wilder has is that Fury is levels above him and he just can't see it.

 

Define 'most talented'? It's pretty clear to most that Fury is a more naturally talented boxer than Joshua. Being more talented doesn't necessarily mean they'll win of course. There's far more to it than that.

The rest of that is just speculation. I know how you're trying to spin it, but I think it's pretty clear that Fury personally is happy to fight either Wilder or Joshua.

 

You seem very personally vested, very weird.

I don’t mention Ortiz’s age because as I’ve already said to you but appears not to be sinking in, certain fighters age differently, their skills diminish at different rates.

And I don’t believe in professional boxers at the top tier level “ducking” each other, if Wilder “ducked” Whyte the Whyte “ducked” Ortiz, see anyone can do this.

Wilder never struggled with Molina, he lost 1 round on 2 cards and was ahead by 2 or 3 points on the cards against Szpilka which he did not look to clever in, but again I’m not really a Wilder fan but he is fun to watch.

Finally, why would Wilder want to face Chisora or Parker who IN YOUR OWN WORDS are nothing other than GATEKEEPERS?

 

If I was Wilder I would forget about Fury and Joshua for the time being, get Parker or Ruiz jr in the ring, blow them away, get the belief back then move on to them.

I honestly think style wise Fury retires him, against AJ he does have a very good chance to win and win early.

 

Good question...
Gatekeepers being above the level of most of his opponents, the main reason would be to enhance his resume and build up some legacy - which given his stated desire to be remembered as a great, is something you'd think he'd have been keen on?

 

If certain fighters age differently than Why do you always bring up age Povetkin is well past it but he was still still a top 10 fighter when he fought Aj and when he knocked out top 10 fighter whyte. Bum Szpilka was outboxing Wilder before he lunged into a right hand. Wilder is a top 10 but he is SO OVER-RATED its crazy. He has only beaten Luis Ortiz, thats a good win but thats his only good win

Wilder literally ducked Whyte and Joshua and avoided Chisora if i remember correctly. He also never got to fight Povetkin and Parker. Yeah Wilder might beat these guys but how would we know if Wilder didn't avoid them, Chsiora is a tough pressure fighter so for all we know he could be all wrong for Wilder.

 

I would put Chisora, Whyte, Parker around the same level as your Breazeale’s, Arreolas, Stivernnes, Ortiz’s and Pulev’s of this era and I would never refer to them as gatekeepers.

There is some great fights to make at the 5-15 ranked heavyweights between themselves, throw the rest in and there’s good fights to be made.