Do you think RJJ, Toney, and Hopkins can dominate these days era??

With roids yea, without them who knows.

 

Actually no, not much improvement in roids ,we just know a bit more how to administer them.

 

Roy`s speed was amazing but on a techical level Canelo is far better schooled and makes less mistakes. I really didn`t like most fightes in the 90`s, they were overated, the early 90`s were much better than the late 90`s.

 

Game over.

 

Look how brilliant James Toney was on a 'technical level' and what prime Roy did to him....

Roy in his pomp was a freak of nature and should have wore a cape in the ring he was that good. Nobody touches him in his prime years.

 

Ray Robinson was better and Toney didn`t know how to close the distance.

 

SRR is the GOAT but he was a Welter moving up.... he isn't beating Roy in his hey day at SMW.

Toney had the ability to do it all in the ring and at the time Roy fought him was at the peak of his powers. As Freddie Roach said, Toney was the most gifted fighter he ever trained.

 

That was a lethargic and weight drained version of James Toney. Roy was a freak of nature but he did not fight the best James Toney. Styles make fights, and Canelo at 168 would give anyone fits, even RJJ. It would be a great fight to take the current Canelo vs RJJ when he was at SMW. No one can predict how it would go but RJJ has never faced anyone like Canelo.

A lot of people are nostalgic of past fighters especially someone as dominant in their prime as RJJ was, that's understandable. A lot of people refuse to even fighters of today a chance against the legends of the past. And in most cases I would agree. But Canelo is cut from a different cloth, his recent form has put him in rarefied air. Canelo has the power and speed to land a big shot on Roy, if he could catch him which wouldn't be easy, but if anyone can do it Canelo can. Canelo's chin is rock solid, and he's so good at slipping punches, as big of a puncher as RJJ it would be hard for RJJ to catch Canelo clean and put Canelo down or get him in trouble. If anyone could though, Prime RJJ could. Doesn't mean he would though.

We later found out that RJJ is chinny, Lou Del Valle put him down at LHW. Prime RJJ is more chinny than Canelo. If Canelo catches RJJ, he's more likely to go down than if RJJ catches Canelo. RJJ would use his speed and stay on the outside and land his lightning fast combinations, but when Canelo gets into punching range he can load up and catch RJJ, and counter RJJ in between punches. Canelo is such an accurate body puncher he could time RJJ and slow down RJJ with well timed body shots then set up counters upstairs. RJJ never fought anyone in his prime as skilled or as dangeorus of a puncher as Canelo.

 

And who has Canelo fought that is remotely like Roy ?

 

No one, they would both be the most skilled and dangerous fighter each has ever fought.

 

Roy fought Hopkins, Toney, Griffin and McCallum.

Floyd was the most gifted fighter that Canelo has fought.

Canelo hasn't fought many gifted fighters above MW.

 

Hard to say, I could see Toney raising his game against Canelo, and bringing his A game. If we're talking about Prime Toney, that's pre-RJJ fight Toney. So Middleweight Toney or Super Middleweight Toney before he fought RJJ. If you take Toney from those days he would give anyone problems. He was so hard to hit, and so naturally gifted, you have to expect it to go the distance and him having a good chance to win a decision.

But Canelo is much more disciplined outside of the ring than James was. James could not stay in the kind of shape that Canelo has, by the time James was in his late 20s, he was past his prime, while at that age Canelo still hadn't reached his prime. So if we're talking about early 20s Toney vs early 20s Canelo, have to go with James. That was prime Toney vs pre-Prime Canelo. If we're talking about any version of Toney after he fought RJJ, you have to favor Canelo. Toney was just not disciplined enough as a fighter at that stage to be in the kind of shape to hang with Canelo. The best versions of Toney at MW / early SMW vs current Canelo, very close back and forth fight.

 

Toney wasn't at his best, but either way, it was just a horrible stylistic match up for him.

Canelo is tremendously skilled, but he'd have had a very hard time landing power shots on Roy.

He's got great timing, but he's not particularly fast and he has a small reach. He has a similar build to Montel Griffin, who was also a great, defensive counterpuncher.

Roy would have been a huge favourite, with his amazing speed and unorthadox style.

Canelo struggles with movement and as fought nobody even remotely like Roy at the higher weights.

It's got a Roy UD written all over it.

 

It's hard to favor anyone vs Prime RJJ. But you look at how dangerous and seasoned Canelo is now, I think he could exploit some of RJJ's faults that RJJ was able to get away with due to his superhuman speed and reflexes. No one Roy ever fought ever had the committment to body punching that Canelo has. Canelo would stay patient, slip RJJ's offense, and counter to the body. Slow him down a bit then get him to trade and find openings to test Roy's chin. I could see a competitive 12 round decision with the chance that Canelo lands something big on him. But most likely RJJ avoids getting hit with anything major and wins a decisions just by landing the flashier shots.