How well would Sam Langford do today?

That would depend on what your conclusion is. It's not for me to say that you don't know boxing. I very, very rarely say that about anyone because nobody except yourself can really know.
So don't take it personally; it's not meant to be personal.
But I would say intellectual dishonesty is rife and yes, it applies to both sides of the fence.
I call a spade a spade, or do my best to. What I see there is not impressive.

 

A ranked fighter today, transported back to that day, would sh*t himself.

From not having footage of his opponent and only the most rudimentary gym and training table, to the train travel, to no mouth guard, to fighting every three weeks, to having the ref utterly ignore the rules... Fighters back then were more a one-man traveling road show, often picking up change taking on complete unknowns... surviving on scraps and flop houses.

Put Sam in a different lake and before long he would own it. It would take some adjustment but you don't win 200 fights against other pro's by not knowing how to adjust. All the important stuff was there in spades.

 

It's nothing you won't learn in a modern gym, or any gym over the last, gee, 100 years? These techniques are hardly new and have been practised for decades. As evidenced here.
I think you're trying to sell the idea that there is a 'lost art' somewhere. Some unfathomable skill or technique lost on modern (or reasonably modern) fans, trainers and fighters.
There isn't. It's all there for practice and study, and has been for eons.

 

I am not going to entertain your dribble.

 

You're confusing me. I'm not arguing about Langford per se. He looks basic and rudimentary there. As I said in the post you quoted, it's understandable.
What you point out is 100℅ true about the times and conditions.
Inherent talent is what it is.
I'm simply using him as an example since he's the subject of the thread.

My point extends to the era as a whole. No doubt, there were legions of rank amateur palookas who had no idea what they were doing. Giving this fisticuffs thing a go because it was a way to get by.
This is a point often lost on those who dogmatically adhere to the old 'the old timers were better' argument. The crud and slop is hidden forever because of the lack of available footage. Even what is available isn't impressive in all honesty.
(Times and conditions noted, but it is what it looks like)
Today, even the shittiest fighter can be seen and put on video.
Take the best 5 fighters from the last 20, 30 years and provide only select footage and there's a world of difference in class.

 

cuz you cant analyze boxing to save your life.

 

you do not see any of this stuff in modern gyms today , boxing coaches are afraid to teach a fighter anything that wouldnt involve a lazy high guard defense. You see boxers practice those techniques today but they are missing somethings .. example I see parries all the time , what I do not see is parrying combined with punching . You do not see feinting either boxers just throw from the position they are in, no hand feinting , no playing with range as in feint step back or feint step in. Its badly watered down technique. Trust Sam Langford beats anyone easy today.

 

"your human brain cant discern what is efficient and what isnt ! here are some notes for you .

The reason there were a lot of single shots is every time that joe jeanette stepped in with that jab Langford would have his rear hand in position to block that lead jab and fire off a check hook or counter jab! Also after Langford would parry the jab he would return his rear hand to starting position(just under the heart) so it was in position to fire right after the parry (first knockdown off the fight)

Given that Sam Langford wasnt gonna stand there like a moron in a high guard and allow combinations to fly at him, What was Jeannette suppose to do ? He did the optimal thing clinching after his jabs to keep himself safe wear the body down more in the clinch and wait til separated to go back to 50 50 fighting for said turn.

Also note Langford was able to generate a knockdown in the clinch with a short right hook at around 12 mins 43 seconds. With punching as effective as it can get . He steps in with rear hand to stop counter jabs and lead hand jab retracts the rear hand as he dips to his right (to avoid a counter right in the tie up, then with full leverage behind him he launches a very short right hook that lands on the jaw and drops jeannette. Thats supreme technique right there and the gap to counter that attack is extremely small, you would get your jab parried if you tried to jab him while he stepped and jab and Langford dipped in the clinch to hide his head from any right hands. Please watch this stuff in slow mo or think critically before you assume it was just low level wrestling."

Looking at you try an over explain some basics like you are a wizard is enough for me to know I know better.

 

and you have no counter rebuttal to it , You do not know what you are looking at . You are gonna say some foolishness that boils down to not using a high guard and the way they punch is not visually pleasing to you. I literally made a whole ass video on why older boxers were superior you guys are as lazy as a high guard user.

 

Such a lame troll.

 

not trolling you are not knowledgeable thats ok , it happens . Can you show me any modern day boxer that every time you jab they counter thats what Langford did, And that same boxer can you show me them dropping heavier opponents in the clinch with short punches . Thats what Langford did its on film. How many jabs landed flush on Langford in those films. How many times did it look like he was losing the fight . In all 3 available fights Lang, Jeanette and Flynn . Langford drops every one of those opponents and has them on the run! You do not like what his style LOOOKS like and cant understand why it works but by no means was he a bad fighter, there isnt a guy you can name today that would beat him.

 

So you put words in my mouth to suit your agenda? I said Langford was the p4p GOAT on more then one occasion the guy is in my PFP.

 

He’d fight from 168 to cruiser and be an even better Qwai w much more power.

 

And you are ?

 

I think the “high guard default” style is heavily on the decline.

Look at Canelo vs Saunders. Low hands, tons of feints