Errol Spence, Jr. vs. Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao

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  1. Pacquiao on points

    25.8%
  2. Pacquiao by stoppage

    7.2%
  3. Draw

    2.1%
  4. Spence on points

    45.4%
  5. Spence by stoppage

    19.6%
  1. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Porter is much bigger and stronger than pac and Porter gives pretty much every fighter he fights hell. Although he stopped fighting like he used to because of the toll Spence taxed his ass with when they fought. Btw Porter and pac fight nothing alike. Spence is better than Bradley I do know that and beats any version of him. Bradley is too feather fisted and gets beat up and broken down by Spence.
     
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  2. dragon666

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    I think Pacquiao looks good for the first 4 to 5 rounds then Spence starts timing him and gets used to his hand speed and Pac will fade. I think Spence will slow him down and get the decision.

    Can Pacquiao handle Spence's punches? I think he can but i wouldn't rule out a Marquez type knockout if he doesn't see a punch coming.

    Spence is a strong boxer who i think can adapt and does have a plan b. Pac's confidence i think comes down to him thinking his speed and power will be enough to outdo what Spence brings to the table.

    I think this might be one of those fights which looks close on the scorecards if Spence doesn't get the KO. Pac will start strong and ultimately slow down mid rounds. Thurman was slowly getting back into the fight but i think lacked the IQ and strength Spence has.
     
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  3. JOKER

    JOKER Froat rike butterfry, sting rike MFER! banned Full Member

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    Spence is getting hurt/dropped.
     
  4. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Jury is out on Spence being better than Bradley. He beats him h2h because of the size difference, but p4p, it’s close.

    Spence is tailor made for Pac. Prime Pac will beat him up bad unless he played defensive. Every opponent in Pacs prime covered up and played safe, Margo, Cotto, clottey, Mosley - that wasn’t by accident, they couldn’t take the volume and power. Spence with his volume style would be in trouble against that Pac.

    Crawford would be a much harder fight for Pac stylistically, prime or not.
     
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  5. AdamT

    AdamT Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Competitive fight, but Spence will stop him late

    Manny is a warrior and he gets 100% credit for taking this fight. I hope he goes the distance and retires after win or lose

    He has nothing more to prove
     
  6. IsaL

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    I think the entire current 147 roster is very overrated.

    I give Pacquiao a real chance at beating Spence.

    With that said I give Errol Spence the edge purely based on both fighter's age, but Pac winning, even by KO would not surprise me.
     
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  7. JOKER

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    Spence hasn't proven to be chinny, so a Pac KO is the least likely outcome.
     
  8. bandeedo

    bandeedo VIP Member Full Member

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    Not at the moment. Pac is too tough to ko by chance. You got to really put it on him to chop him down and I don’t think Spence will come in looking to mow him down. I expect him to show pac too much respect to put him to sleep.
     
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  9. SquaredCircle

    SquaredCircle Active Member Full Member

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    I've been saying it for a bit, but I really think the Spence fight (ditto for a Crawford fight) would be like Pacquiao's version of Hopkins-Kovalev. Perhaps not stylistically, but a similar dynamic in the sense that an older, faded fighter just doesn't have the legs, activity, or ability to control the distance and action against a younger, more athletic, and fresher fighter who is quickly ascending the P4P rankings.

    At least circa 2019, Pacquiao showed he could still pull off victories against technically-flawed, sub-P4P guys when he beat Thurman - much the way Hopkins was able to against an athletic, but flawed Pascal. However, stepping it up against one of the five best fighters in the sport is a bad idea when you've been inactive for over two years and have lost considerable stamina and movement. Pacquiao fights in spurts now and takes a handful of rounds off. Spence will make him work during these periods, but unlike Thurman, he will make him pay for it with a consistent body attack.

    I don't see Pacquiao winning this fight. I'm expecting a 9-3/10-2 decision honestly, because a big part of me is anticipating a steep decline from even the Pacquiao of a few years back. If he does win, however, it would be near the very top of the best 40-plus victories of all-time.
     
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  10. IsaL

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    Not a likely outcome, but wouldn't shock me. I still think Spence has a better chance at KO Pac purely based on age.
     
  11. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree. Spence’s bodywork maybe what leads to the stoppage as it doesn’t allow Pac to rest, he just gets drained and punish in attempt to rest.
     
  12. JOKER

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    Pac will be the hardest, fastest, and best puncher Spence has ever faced. He's not going to be able to go to the body with impunity.

    Pac WILL return fire in the trenches and Pac will be parrying, picking off, and countering Spence's jab from the opening bell. Pac's one of the best in the game at this, but doesn't get much credit for it.
     
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  13. Rilz

    Rilz Ball don't lie! Full Member

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    Don't get your hopes up, remember Pac was a tasty underdog in the Thurman fight. I can't imagine the books will stray too far from those odds. Manny will be 3-1 or 4-1 on fight night. Neither of which are attractive enough to bet on Spence (for me).
     
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  14. bandeedo

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    the angles for countering the jab are different when fighting a southpaw. and because of spences height, the angles will be different vertically, as well as horizontally. spence will be jabbing mostly to the body. its a scoring punch and stops any forward momentum from pac, should he be trying to time a counter. if pac gets inside, spence will lean, smother, and manhandle pac, all while hitting him with short inside hooks and uppercuts. after getting pac used to seeing that jab to the body, spence will alternate between that and straight lefts to pacs head.
    the more aggressive pac becomes, the more punishment pac is going to take. at some point, he will realize this and will have to decide. is the glory still worth it, with everything ive got? or do i accept my fate and bow out gracefully?
     
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  15. JOKER

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    Pac was still a mostly one-handed developing product against Morales. And JMM was one of those guys that can't be KO'd unless he's fighting a massive puncher w/ 10-15 pounds on him.

    In trench warfare, JMM (especially the hulked up version) would seriously hurt Spence.