Jesus wept! I was very drunk when I watched it at the time and even I could see fury winning most of the rounds
Of course, 9-9 is the same effect as 10-10, so it doesn't matter one iota. But scoring the fight for Wilder is just plain wrong.
Even if he did, OConnor wouldn't qualify for disability benefits here in the U.K. , they would just play the clip of him carrying Cleverly back to his corner.. he looks very strong and able bodied then.
Out of curiosity which version of the fight did you watch? To be exact was it on YouTube, and if so, which channel? I ask because the version put out by PBC is different to the BT Sports version
Lol Wilder lost 9-3 in rounds. And got beat down in rematch. Shameful we even getting a 3rd match. Maybe it’s the charm for him
Are you ******ed ? How hard is to check my history. Show me just 1 post where i praise Wilder for anything. Just one f**** post. But that doesn`t mean i should be biased like most of you. No way Fury won that fight. He didn't do a nothing in most of the rounds. Finkel, PBC, this one: This content is protected I will watch the other one, but what exactly could be different, when its the whole fight, not a highlights, nothing is skipped, and as i say on every moment i wasn't sure if punch is landed i rewind it back.
I prefer watching the BT Sport one, as they remove the commentary. I'm not saying it would change your score, but in the PBC one, I find the replacement of the original commentary team with their own guy very suspect. They clearly did that because they didn't like how Pauli Maginali was calling it. Plus the PBC guy keeps getting overly excited every time Wilder throws, and calls punches as landing that clearly miss. So it's just annoying to me personally. Also I think they might have messed with the sound levels.
In this case, PBC = propaganda boxing commentary. Motives for doing so clearly questionable and the effect of having done so will bias the watcher towards Wilder. I, personally, think there's a range of acceptable scoring for this match (115-111 Fury to 113-113 draw) and don't see how it's possible to score in Wilders favour without introducing biases into the scoring - fanboyism is one possibility, but it's not necessary for a biased card as the other option is to score favourably for the current champion.
When i watch a fight to score it i don`t listen to the commentary. And again i was rewind back every moment where i wasn't sure that a punch was landed or not. But people somehow are saying that Wilder was missing terribly(which was true in many occasions), but Fury was missing with the jab big time as well. Also in many occasions Wilder actually connects, even if it wasn't full power. Partial connect is still better than do nothing for the whole round, right? Sorry but people on here were actually giving rounds to Fury for free, cause he was clowning around. BubblesUK, and just like i can't see how you can score the fight for Fury. He should been happy with the draw, cause that was a gift. Again you can always check my post history and see that i though cause of the general information that Fury was robbed, and i never ever said a good word for Wilder. That fight was all Fury fault for clowning around, as well as being way too inactive for way too long. Once again if you land nothing, and show good defense, but still your opponent clip you, even if its now full shot, he will take the round. Also as my scorecards are saying, if Fury wasn't doing clown stuff and wasn't knockdown at the 12 he would have won the fight. But in a no way Fury won that fight, as well as being robbed. Saying all that i think Fury will clearly win the 3rd bout.
Honestly, you are more than welcome to your opinion on how the fight should be scored. But for me it's how one fighter is causing the other to miss that is important. If one fighter jumps out of range whenever the other person attacks or just shells up in a manner where they are not in position to counter, I don't rate that as highly as a sequence where a guy stays within range by slipping or parrying punches, because they are still an effective threat themselves (whether they themselves land cleanly or not). In a tight round, I think that effects the scoring. But obviously if one fighter is landing considerably cleaner, and stopping the majority of what comes the other way, then even a rudimentary defense can be effective and I wouldn't penalize them for it. Honestly though, I think at this point, what's done is done. My main issue has always been with Rochin's score card, and the PBC/WBC relationship in regards to Wilder. Anyway, onto the next one.
Look, I disagree with you but sometimes it's just what you like personally, what you're looking for. The first fight had very little action from what I can remember, it had a couple of great moments, Fury getting off the floor being THE MOMENT. If you ever come in the rbrs you will see my scoring, it's rather erratic.. there have been some scorecards I've dished out that leaves me surprised I haven't been banned for trolling. I believe Mr Serge and Mr CST take pity on me and my scorecards, I think they see me as a slightly brain damaged old man that is harmless enough and so they let me just rattle off scores that would make Terry O'Connor do a double take.
Yeah at the end of the day this is just my opinion, and it doesn't say its the right one. At the end of the day everyone got one. As far as what you are saying i can counter this, that a good defense is actually a Floyd type of defense. Every good trainer out there will tell you, that just dodging/avoiding/weaving/slipping/so on shots on its own will do nothing for you. You got to make him pay for his miss. And this is what is/should be rewarded. And as i said in my very first comment, Fury didn't do this at all. The only time he managed to counter any of Wilder shots were after Wilder was going absolutely wild, and this was after the KD. And he obviously lost this rounds, simply because of the KD, even tho he was doing good for the rest or before that. But once again Fury was just fooling around, playing a clown, hands behind the back, making a stupid emoji and trying to make Wilder frustrated, which he do, but didn't throw back enough to win the rounds. And while he was managing to dodge most of Wilder shots, and going under the right hand, in a lot of occasion Wilder manage to land with the right hand on side/back of the head, and while not full force, he also manage to get the KD that way, and this is also a scoring punch. And when nothing is throw back, you obviously not going to win the round for clowning. And just as you can give a edge in close rounds to Fury for his superior defense, other may simple give that edge to Wilder, cause he was the aggressor, and he was actually looking to engage. Also a lot of Fury punches, was just arm punches, and he also misses a lot of them. N17, to be 100% fair i don't like either of them. But i have always said that Wilder is a fraud, and i will always believe this. The guy is just all wrong for boxing. Fury is definitely the superior boxer, but he was just way too inactive for the longer part. To be fair the only reason i decide to watch the fight and score it, was few days ago i watch Teddy Atlas interview on someone podcast and he was talking about Joshua - Fury - Wilder saga, and that the 3rd fight won't be as easy as people think, as well as he didn't believe that Fury was robbed in the first fight. And he was making points for it, and after watching the fight i 100% agree on this one with him.
