I know exactly what you mean. I was 'Jaw on the Floor' stunned when that one went down. I think the fact that it was a prolonged beating made it seem even more wild. Manny turned that ring into a torture chamber. It felt way bigger than 5-1
Our own Kirkland - Laing - beating Duran. Kirk was very talented, Duran was in a slightly erratic streak of form. But still...?
#1 Liston vs Clay #2 Douglas vs Tyson #3 Foreman vs Ali #4 Curry vs Honeyham #5 Louis vs Schmeling #6 Hagler vs Leonard #7 Leonard vs Duran 1 #8 Pep vs Saddler #9 Spinks vs Ali 1 #10 Duran vs Barkley Honorable mention Forrest vs Mosley, Duran vs Hagler (Not a win for Duran but the fight was supposed to be the end for Duran) Haugen vs Camacho , Saad Muhammed vs Braxton, Stewart vs Johnson#1 Holmes vs Spinks #1, Gomez vs Nelson, Foreman vs Moorer, Dempsey vs Tunney Johnson vs Willard, Turpin vs Robinson.
Not talented? Plodder Colin Jones? Can't agree with you there, Jack. But if I did, doesn't that make his beating Duran - who within the next year or so went on to brutalise Cuevas and Moore then give Marvin Hagler all he could handle at middleweight - even more of an upset?
Ruiz vs AJ may have aged differently but at the time was an enormous upset that even resonated among the MMA fans in my gym who watch no boxing
not from a gambling point of view, but from a looking back historical magnitude point of view, they were both undefeated but Ali certainly had the better resume with 2 wins over Liston and Cooper, and a win over Moore and Patterson Frazier would be ranked lower if he had never beat Ali, fotc is where he really proved himself as an atg