Is Fury a hype job?

That's the thing, if Fury drops concentration for a second he could lose this fight. An 8 week fully focussed camp should be fine, looks like the family have gone back home also which is a good thing.

Wilder changing trainers, focussing on flashy pad work and having "yes men" around him isn't a great sign. His only key to victory is hitting that big punch, he's not adaptable or skilled enough to win any other way.

 

I would put serious money on you being able to give better advice than Tyson Fury on how to get in shape. Tyson was just fat and then he lost some weight, something that's easier to do if you start eating responsibly and exercising at 24 stone than it is at say 14 stone. He didn't go from Butterbean to Ivan Drago, all this "shredded" talk, he's never been shredded in his life. It doesn't matter because he can do what he wants to do in the ring and get the job done but there's a definite over exaggeration with this whole body transformation thing when he bounces around the ring with fat bulging and bouncing around looking like a middle aged man. Well done to him on the weight loss but I think it has to stop now, his advice for getting "shredded" is probably about as good as his advice on Mental Health.

 

He lost a lot of weight.
You can't really fault that.
Anyone who has lost a massive amount of weight through diet and exercise is qualified to advise other people who are wanting to lose weight.

 

Yeah I didn't knock the weight loss, just the overreaction to it like it's some sort of incredible transformation. I know people who were 20 stone who now have visible abs and they had 9-5's to deal with too, that to me is incredible transformation.

 

They're just cashing in on it. Obviously he's done well to get back into shape, but I think they over-egg it somewhat. His mental health advice, which was basically "get a routine, train and pray" is also completely unhelpful for most people.

I am a fan of his and admire what he's done since being so out of shape, but they're really overdoing it imo.

 

The con of all these celebrity diet books is they never mention how much easier it is when you’re a millionaire with a professional trainer, a professional dietitian, a professional strength & conditioning coach and a professional chef literally putting the right food in front of you at the right time.

 

It's a con. The whole mental health card he played was one big massive con.

 

I don't believe it's a con. It's not unfeasible for him to be bipolar. I believe he is. However, it is really milked to the point by Arum and Co where it looks very contrived at times. They make it very easy for people who don't like him to suggest that it's all made up.

I think it's brilliant that they talk about it but they don't really offer any proper advice...like going to your doctor, getting medication etc. Exercise will be of huge benefit to him but it's not a complete fix...he must be on medication like lithium imo but it's never mentioned.

 

And the stresses of the average person not on the menu, eight hours sleep a night to properly rest, repair and rejuvenate their mind, bodies and soul being the norm rather than a pipe dream!

 

I agree, it's definitely contrived. I've been studying various mental health conditions for a while now, my girlfriend has bipolar, mental illness runs in my family and I have struggled with anxiety and depression throughout my life, I'm currently working towards becoming a Support Worker. I know some people think that Tyson Fury is only a good thing for mental health but I think and have said many times before on here that he is nothing but dangerous. He's not helping mental health stigmas with what he's doing, he's making it appear that you can be cured almost overnight if you just think positively and get yourself in that apparent zone that he's in. It doesn't work like that, it certainly doesn't work like that for you and I. As you said, if he really has what he says he has and I say has because although he makes out he's "beating" it, bipolar is a condition for life, he should be on medication to help stabilise his brain. When you get celebrities like Charlie Sheen messing around being open about it but in a way that's not helping the stigma attached to it and then you get Tyson Fury with his amateur advice, it's making a mockery of it for me. I get that one of the ways of dealing with it is to try and make light of it when you discuss it but if Tyson Fury is also on medication, which if he's saying he has it that badly he almost certainly should be, he needs to be mentioning that. For a lot of people, most people I'd say, the medication is the most important thing, certainly more important than the morning runs and especially early on after diagnosis and therapy. You don't just go on a few runs and get better with acute bipolar, you've got to stabilise your mind and be in better control of your thoughts. These people have access to the best help, therapy and everything else they could possibly need to help themselves against these awful, sometimes crippling conditions, they are not good examples to be using, especially in the case of Tyson Fury who appears to be outright telling lies about something that is very serious.

 

Brilliant post. I agree with every word.

 

Yeah, it's not that incredible to you and I, but there's so many people out there who are completely hopeless and Fury's cashing in on that market. I don't blame him. The diet/nutrition/exercise market is huge. And the fact that so many people are hopeless means they often keep coming back as repeat customers !

 

There's little doubt that Tyson Fury suffered/suffers from some degree of mental illness, or is prone to depression.
He's been talking about it publicly since 2011 or before : [url]https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2011/nov/05/tyson-fury-interview[/url]

Of course, his "mental health ambassador" schtick since 2018 is contrived and it is true he offers amateurish advice.
But he clearly hasn't invented the fact that he's prone to mood swings, anxiety, depression and deep 'lows' that follow his 'highs' when he achieves something. It's not uncommon.

 

Agreed. Thing is though, if they actually gave a monkeys about mental illness (rather than just giving a monkeys about making more money through their product) they could use Fury as a mouthpiece to offer some genuinely helpful advice. Saying you have a mental illness when you're a celebrity is obviously great in raising awareness but it's still not quite enough.

People with money can go private and see a psychiatrist to get assessed. The rest have to go through a doctor first...and hope they can convince that doctor to refer them. Then they go on a waiting list for what could be a year plus. Being diagnosed could take 2 years in reality. This is what Fury and the like need to highlight imo which is the problem with the process and people's access to these services.

 

Agreed. Fury has started to add the "get professional help" part to his advice - but for a long time a lot of his 'cure' was basically "get a sign from God and go to the gym".

If he wanted to, he could have a similar impact to Rashford and highlight how mental health referrals take so long, lack of funding for treatment and push to have this changed.