Does Wlad Go Thru Holmes Title Opponent's, With Out A Loss??

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    There’s a strong possibility that Wladimir could have gone undefeated against Holmes contender list, yes. Much of it would depend greatly on if that time period stretched through wlad’s improved rendition of himself. The Klitschko who lost to Sanders might have faltered against someone like Witherspoon
     
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  2. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    A problem for Wlad (or anyone else) going undefeated through a list of twenty or so top rated heavyweights without a defeat is one of probability...consistency.

    There is no one name on Holmes list (including Spinks) that I would favour to beat Wlad in a one-of situation.

    And before any one of the twenty fights, I would favour Wlad.

    But if you're making the bet at the start of the series, that he'll beat all twenty, that's a different matter.

    I would bet that he probably loses to one or more.


    That is why Marciano's record is unique and notable.

    I'm pretty sure he was NOT unbeatable, even in his own time.

    But he did go unbeaten.
     
  3. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    How much is Wlad allowed to unnecessarily clinch and lean on his opponents?

    If he can hug them to death, i am sure he could go unbeaten, with only Timmy having a shot. Otherwise, he likely loses once.
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Most likely Wlad would go through them. They weren’t even close to his level.
     
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  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    You say this like Wlad didn’t have a 22 fight unbeaten streak against world level modern heavyweights.
     
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  6. NoNeck

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    Delusion
     
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  7. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Right because Ross Purity was such a better fighter then Tim right?

    Or part time boxer Sanders accomplished more then Tim right?
    Or how about when your boy GASSED out vs Brewster then got stopped.

    Not ONE time did Holmes lose either coming up or in his prime did he?

    That my naive little boy is the difference between a LEGEND and a good fighter.
     
  8. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    That’s all fine and dandy, but you’d have to be a complete idiot to pick Witherspoon and his breasts over Wlad.
     
  9. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You do know that Witherspoon was a very good fighter right?

    If Ross can stop him what makes you think Tim can't?
    Tim hit harder then Brewster as well.
    It
     
  10. Balder

    Balder Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Wlad has an easier time of it by quite a margin.

    Holmes vs Wlads opponents are below quite a few steps in talent and ability.

    Holmes era was filled with tall, but out of shape drug addicts that rarely reached their potential. He went close with them and still never unified the belts.

    Wlad never came unprepared. He has an easier time of it than Holmes did.
     
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Witherspoon lost to Bigfoot Martin, and prime Purrity would’ve beaten Martin, so we can rest assured that Wlad would beat Witherspoon. In addition, Wlad beat Bigfoot Martin himself, so that helps his case slightly.

    Having been punched by both Witherspoon and Brewster, I can assure you that Brewster’s left hook was the hardest punch either had.
     
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  12. BCS8

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    Ross won against Klitschko with his chin as did Brewster. Wlad was so keen to take them out that he blew his wad and they mopped him up. I don't think Witherspoon would take a fraction of the punishment those guys lapped up. I wouldn't write Witherspoon off entirely, but it would be a long shot imho.
     
  13. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lol.

    That was not a close to prime Witherspoon who fought Martin.

    Talk about cherry picking

    Because Wlad would beat Martin and Witherspoon lost to Martin therefore Wlad beats Witherspoon?

    It doesn't work that way my friend

    Tony Tubbs beat Martin and Martin beat Witherspoon. Witherspoon beat Tubbs.

    It's all about context and you can never rely on ,A beats B and B heats C there fore A beats C
     
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  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    I was told that Witherspoon would beat Wlad because he lost to Ross Purrity on the way up. I think the Bigfoot Martin theory holds up better.
     
  15. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bruno for all his up and downs could really punch.
    Watch Witherspoon vs Bruno and then get back to me.
    Mercer in his old age could still punch. Again watch the fight and get back to me.
    Only time I really saw Tim flop was second Bonecrusher fight. He just laid down.
    Years latter it made sense.

    But the biggest problem your boy has in getting through everyone?
    When it doesn't go his way he BAILS. He did it TWICE.
    Witherspoon. Cooney. Bonecrusher. If nothing else they can get you out of their with one punch.
    Say whatever you want. He's this. He's too skilful.
    Fact of the matter is when he has to really dig deep he has failed.