Antonio Tarver: If Manny Pacquiao Beats Errol Spence, He's The GOAT.

not sure what you're talking about. I'm talking about boxing. In boxing, a HW fighter has to be GOAT. If you want to clarify that the GOAT for a fighter weighting less than 147 pounds is so and so, then so be it. GOAT for flyweight OK. But the GOAT (unqualified) means the greatest boxer who has ever lived that if you could put everyone in the ring they would likely win.

Guys like Manny and Floyd get so much credit for their multiple division accolades because they get credit for fighting bigger guys as they gain weight. Yet HW who have no choice but to fight the biggest and baddest in all of boxing get little credit. 8 diviions titles > 1 HW title. Hell no.

 

No.

 

what exactly do you think goat means? greatest at what?

 

He would certainly have built a solid case in that regard.

 

This.

SRR fought a lot of cans.

SRR was also ahead of his time in terms of skills, most of his opponents looked pretty bad. It’s not the number of opponents you fought, it’s the number of high quality opponents you fought.

Pac has fought over 20 world champions. That’s right up there with anyone. And yes you could argue that there was only 1 champion back then, but you can also argue that boxing was mostly just an American affair too and fighters couldn’t study other fighters tapes (so harder to prepare for).

Think about it, you have 50 fights of Floyd and Pac on tape to replay over and over again. When you’re on top, everybody is trying to analyse your weakness. They’ll find one eventually and train 8-12 weeks for it. Older fighters never had to face that sort of challenge.

So in a way it’s harder to stay on top today as you have an entire boxing community dissecting your weakness on tape.

 

Floyd can fight 50x a year if his opponents weren’t having 8 week camps either and they were run of the mill.

khan had 10’fights in a year so did Tyson. It’s just level of comp.

back in the days, they just looked to fill their calendar.

 

It's sacrilege for many to even think anyone could knock SRR off the top of the list he's been on there as most people number 1 that for some people no achievements a modern day boxer attains could ever knock him off. A guy could go 100-0 with 100 KO's win titles in 8 divisions and SRR would still be number 1 in some peoples eyes because SRR can't be touched in their eyes.

Would Pac be GOAT, maybe what he's done over his career is incredible even without the Spence win his resume is good enough that he possibly a top 10 ATG. It will be a very long time until we see anyone like Pac again. For me he's without a doubt the greatest fighter I watched during my time as a boxing fan.

 

Greatest fighter lmfao! The very best of the best doesn't lose to a guy like horn, horn sucks. They also don't lose wide in the fight of the era. They win fights like that. People like pac so they give him more credit than he deserves. His best win is MAB ffs let that sink in. He has longevity but if thats the case why isn't anyone talking about hopkins being the GOAT??? Their resumes are comparable but one fought longer. Pac wasn't even the best fighter of his era. Hell pac isn't even as great as srl who's resume shits on his. This GOAT talk is ridiculous and a popularity contest nothing more. Like I always say if pbf had pacs record and career and pac had PBF's record and career. No one here would be calling pbf the GOAT nor would they say he was greater than pac. It's ridiculous and embarrassing really.

 

You can't go 120-1 (going 5-1 with the person who gave him the 1), and not be considered the greatest of all time bar none.

 

Ali lost to Norton and Spinks when he was younger than Pac was when he fought Horn.

Lewis lost to Rahman.

Duran lost to Laing.

Tyson lost to Douglas ffs.

you’re obsessed with undefeated records when it’s pretty arbitrary. In another town, with different judges, Floyd could have losses to Maidana and Castillo. Maidana is not exactly atg.

On another town with different judges, Pac would be undefeated (easy win over Bradley and Horn and a justifiable case for win over Floyd, there’s been far worse decisions and Floyd barely did anything in the fight). His only loss would be to a roided out jmm who hired a convicted ped expert.

 

DeGrom went to Calvary Christian School in Florida, a well known sports prep school which is going to have a solid athletic training staff, played in the American Legion league which wasn't there is Ruth's day I don't think, and went to Stetson College which also produced Kluber.

There is a visible mechanism why these baseball guys improved.

Meanwhile, Bud Crawford was not attending a special prep school for aspiring athletes.

The nicer facilities came after he found success out of some random gym in Omaha.

But again it's besides the point. It's not about if someone can punch 10% harder, it's about what they did with the punch they had. Bud has done a little, Pac has done much more, SRR did more than both put together.

 

I don;t want to hear it. none of these guys are considered the GOAT. Pac wasn't even the best fighter of his era, how in the hell is he going to be the GOAT? Pac has many bad loses not just one and his best win MAB is barely a top 100 ATG. How in the hell is Pac > SRL when SRL's win over Duran or Hearns or Benitez or Hagler destroys him? SRL's loses aren;t as bad as Pac's either. Answer that question? SRL has a better case of being the GOAT than Pac does and his resume proves it. Yet people like you will say Pac is > SRL

 

Easily among the dumbest posts I've ever read.