Compared to Wilders side ? NO. Why Wilder come up with so much excuses ? It's hard ro be on his side when he is saying that Fury won because of the white privilege
I think it should be mandatory to count. Doesn't matter how the guy falls or if he's flat on his face or eyes rolled in the back of his head. Count until 10 or until the fighter gets up. Which ever comes first.
Not an unfair point... Vitali's resume could be better - however, it's also fair to say that he went fairly evens with Lennox (which way you shade it doesn't matter, he didn't look out of place in there) and he still fought a bunch of guys who could be considered top ten or so at the time. When it comes to comparisons, Wilder doesn't get close to Vitali on the eye test and doesn't get close on resume either. Fury could be potentially HOF in future, but IMHO he'd have to do more than beat Wilder three times and one of Wlads most uninspiring ever performances.
how can you say that? Wilder has not only accused his own trainer of cheating, hes accused 4 other trainers of cheating and a fighter. On top of all that he's talked **** about both referees and the entire athletic commission and accused the entire system of racism while his racist cult like fans sit around making bull**** up daily and pushing racism. Explain to me how Tyson and his fans are anything like wilders?
Evidently you missed the endless slew of threads proclaiming Tyson Fury the GOAT and the new Messiah. He's one victory away from raising the dead and holding Judgement. While I personally think he's the best of this era, he's not the best by that much and certainly not worthy of the blind adulation of some of the hard core Furynatics.
As he said above. Nobody claims Wilder is God or Messiah etc. Fighter blames trainers after loss *SHOCKING NEWS* Bringing up race all the time...I'm guessing you only started watching Tyson Fury recently, The GYPSY KING?? Who his whole career prior to his comeback he blamed racism for everything. FYI the first time ever Wilder brought up his race was when Fury was endlessly going on about his Gypsy race, then Till This Day happened! Tyson named himself after his race, main quotes are stuff like "us Gypsys are coming to take over", "us Gypsys are real fighting men", "gypsys are cut form a different cloth" and on and on and on....yet you hate on Wilder for saying he is Black.... Both come from oppressed backgrounds, but you hate on wilder for expressing his but allow Fury = Tyson fans are worse!
Well, if Wilder had traveled to europe like Germany and then to the U.K and had beat boxers or fought with close decision, he had get more respect in europe / eurasia than he might even dream to be known there today. It is what it is here, this is reality. I did not had watched Fury talks too much btw, nor Wilder's talks. Boxer should beat in the ring and regardless how ppl here might post about Valuev, this dude at least had competed in 12 countries and did not had found out racism or sabotage etc reasons is in some fights he did not looked impressive etc in the ring. Sitting in 1 country and yelling is beautiful legacy here if compare with xxx pro fighters in the world. If for him does not likes racistic punches, he might fight vs A.J. I had forget that Ruiz is not old and looks that is Mexican origin, maybe might be racistic punches?
I would tend to agree he's probably the best of this era - but I wouldn't try too hard to argue it because when it comes to resumes he's not really close to AJ... And as I've said before, I don't see how it's possible to argue for guys with clearly inferior resumes as being better than guys who are more proven - we might argue that stylistically we think they win H2H or that we expect them to have corrected that by the time they retire, etc, but quality of opposition is a huge part of the impressiveness of individual performance and of fighters capability of beating good levels of fighter consistently, different styles and all preferably.
