Is Lomachenko an all-time great ?

that team has been thinking, eating, and sleeping boxing for decades. there isnt much they cant imagine. they werent in a little bubble where only the ams exist.

 

I don't think he has done enough in the pros to warrant that level of praise. His resume lacks too many high-profile names. Not all of that is his fault, however. Part of it is to do with promotional issues, guys saying 'no' (Vetyeka, Salido, etc.), and the way boxing is structured. It's far harder to become an ATG today because guys fight less, make more money, and can hide behind alphabet straps and inside weak divisions. If there was one champion per class, less divisions, and forced defenses against the best on a regular basis, we wouldn't have many of these conversations because we would already know.

What I will say, though, is that I do believe Lomachenko has ATG ability. He has a rare combination of attributes for a boxer--hand and foot speed, defense, technique, power, etc.--on top of being a lefty. I think it's obvious, no matter where you stand on other issues, that Lomachenko was special in that regard. Think about it briefly. Most thought that Lomachenko beat Rigondeaux in large part because has more skilled, not merely due to size. After all, it's not like Lomachenko went out and bullied him. On the flip side, Rigondeaux was better than Donaire by a considerable margin, and many peg Donaire as a great. I'm not trying to put too much emphasize on Lomachenko's win over Rigondeaux, I'm just trying to highlight what p4p-type level we are dealing with between them. Also, Gary Russell Jr. may be the best featherweight after Lomachenko left (he's rated #1 currently) and Vasiliy beat him clearly.

To me, Lomachenko would have made a superb featherweight in a bygone era.

 

Donaire is very good boxer.

Russell Jr is smart, he did not moved up in weight classes and stayed at 126lbs.

 

Naw, Loma looks that had flowchart to box vs Rigo while Rigo when was not enough successful attempted to clinch and maul Loma, where he failed because was not physically stronger than Loma.

I think this fight had been done because both of them were equal caliber am superstars.
It is rarity to see in pro boxing ring 2 boxers with equal amateur credentials and this was such kind of fight. Both boxers were 2X Olympic Gold medalists and 2X World Championship Gold medalists.

 

Rigo has never been a mauler and the only physical interactions they had was through clinches. Much of the fight was spent at distance, with Lomachenko outmaneuvering him. It wouldn't have made much sense for Rigondeaux to try and out-muscle Lomachenko in any division, seeing as Lomachenko was the bigger man.

 

A pity you don't post more.

 

he's an ATG in Amateur boxing yes. But not in professional boxing.

 

I appreciate the kind words, hoop.

 

When he’s done, he will be, you casuals.

 

Can't consider him an ATG if he doesn't have the wins to back it up. No where near enough of a record yet to consider him an atg.

14 fights and already 2 losses.

 

Putting it like that is a bit unfair, he took high risk, high reward path. He could have fought a la Chavez Sr. beating up 40 bums or so before facing good fighters. But yeah, it was close fights, but he lost them and giving his talent, I think he could have won them both, but like i said earlier, something is missing in him for getting ATG status.

 

If we're going to decide whether or not he's an ATG, then it's not unfair. It's apt. Simply reviewing his career on his record isn't fair when determining his value, but if we're going to make a claim that he may be one of the GOAT, then he needs to be assessed like that.

 

World champion in 3 fights, fighting a guy who's only lose to Loma TILL THIS DAY (wilders voice)

You guys have weird criterias of how boxer should move, when someone is moving like haney, you applaud them, 26 fights, undefeated, but fighting old washed up fighters. Loma took risky fights and got the result.

holding 3 tittles in 3 divisons in 12 fights ? are you kidding me ?

 

As an amateur yes

As a pro? No he isn't

 

Boxing fans are tribal and very nationalistic.
Therefore for a lot of them if you will KO 20, better 30 walking boxing bags + total bums in row, you will get more respect than if you will won a title by decision and are not from proper country, sorry.
It is what it is and a lot of fans worship nice looking stoppages, fighter's origin looks that matters damn a lot.


For example Loma is judged by some posters as overrated while Ali as ATG, ATG boxer dropped down by someone 20 lbs lighter than he was. Still Ali should be considered as ATG etc.
Not to talk about ATG Ali in 70 ies, overrated as hell.