deonaty wilder vs ernie shavers who hits harder?

Yes. His jab and right hand are about the only shots he throws with world class technique and accuracy.

 

I'd say on power alone Wilder takes it on the right hand. But the way he generates that power differs from the way Shavers generated it. With Wilder it's all spring and leverage and speed, like a trebuchet winding up and flinging a stone at a castle wall. With Shavers it's more like a slower-moving but heavier battering ram. In combination and at multiple ranges Shavers could land far heavier blows. You can see it every time he had fighters backed up and started to go to work on their body and arms, his punches sounded like shotgun blasts going off, and you could see his opponents were really feeling it. But when he caught guys clean to the head they generally just dipped or reeled before getting whacked to the canvas from all the follow up blows. After that they were generally able to get up on their own steam, and in many cases fight on and win.

With Wilder there'll be lulls when he's slapping shots on the inside and his opponents are just taking it because the shots are so sloppy and Wilder doesn't have the mechanics to generate power up close with his long gangly arms. But when he has the space to launch one of his straight rights through an opponent's guard the effect is usually devastating and a pure fight ender, whether they see it coming or not.

 

Great, you showed that Ali, Holmes, Lyle, Tillis, Bugner testified that Shavers hit the hardest!
But you forgot Tex Cobb, Jimmy Young & Ken Norton, & Leroy Caldwell...And whoever else fought Shavers, win or lose, agenda or not, I believe they ALL said he hit the hardest!

There are also the colorful hilarious quotes about the effect of his punches.

 

OK Ali was a showman & jokingly credited many with power...But he unambiguosly claimed Shavers hit him the hardest of any opponent, even george Foreman.
So that he repeated that many jarred his kinfolks in Africa...None of it debunks that Shavers hit the hardest.

if it was just Tillis who might not know how hard Witherspoon hit him, fine.
But everyone who fought Shavers said his power was #1.
Even if he could not always deliver it effectively.

 

As far as one punch power probably Wilder

 

the punch of both is different because of deontay when he throws a power punch he always puts some of them down until he throws them away from the place where they were standing but shavers is a punch because he doesn't throw you away but he puts you to sleep they are like anxiety in the fists

 

just been done

 

Wilder is the very definition of an explosive power puncher. The amount of leverage and snap he generates on that right hand is scary. With that being said, Shavers is much more naturally heavy-handed so even his arm punches have KO potential. Just different types of power. Overall, if you were to separate Wilder and Shavers in their respective categories of explosive and heavy-handed power, they would both be at the top.

 

ernie could hit you so hard that you`ed get a speeding ticket in georga.

 

Both undeniably heavy hitters.

As so often, resumes are relevant...
Ernie fought far better guys and fought guys who'd fought far better guys - in this context, fighter testimony is more reliable, in that it suggests that Ernie impressed guys who'd fought other huge hitters.
On the other hand we have Wilder, whose knockout percentage is impressive, but whose opposition hasn't been in anything like the same ballpark.

It's always hard to compare, especially when talking about quite different fighters from different eras.

 

Shavers fought most of the best fighters of his day (though no Frazier or Foreman: I imagine that Frazier ducked him and Foreman admitted to it) but how many did he KO? If you look at Shavers' resume, he almost exclusively stopped what are the equivalents of light heavy and cruiser club fighters and low level journeymen. So while Wilder has the reputation of being a can crusher, Shavers was even more culpable.

There is a lot of mythology around Shavers but the stats tell a very different story:
[url]http://www.heavyweightblog.com/1267/ko-statistics-of-ko-kings-tyson-klitschko-shavers[/url]
[url]https://www.boxingoverbroadway.com/monster-puncher-or-monster-myth/[/url]

Shavers' KO threat dropped hugely when he faced opponents who were at least the minimum size of modern heavyweights (215+ lbs, but in those days very big men were even less athletic, making it less excusable: modern punchers are almost as dangerous against big HW's as they are against small ones) fighters who weren't bums and fighters who could take him a few rounds (the best modern KO artists like Wlad or Wilder are almost equally dangerous in the later rounds as they are in the 1st). It's also very interesting that nearly every fighter quoted who claimed that Shavers hit the hardest actually beat him! There may be an element of "I beat the best puncher who ever lived!"

To be fair though, Shavers' power may have been somewhat higher than the stats suggest if he lacked the technique to land his punches accurately and on a consistent basis, if he was chinny (as this would make him less aggressive and get him KO'd) and if he lacked the physical tools in height, reach, mass, strength, timing, co-ordination or speed.

 

Well said, I completely agree with the comparison with Hearns.
Plus, Wilder actually took down big HWs, not small ones like Shavers. Shavers rarely put away big men (over 220 lbs)

 

Opposition is irrelevant. Just cause they are more skilled, it does not mean they also have a better chin.

 

Given that Foreman never managed to land on Ali the way Shavers did, what was Ali supposed to say ?!

When asked who hit them the hardest, it's only logical that boxers will say those that actually did manage to land on them, isn't it ?!
That doesn't mean that those that did not managed to tag them clean are lesser punchers

 

Chin is only one factor: defensive skills, mental toughness and speed prevent you from being KO'd too, power and stamina as well "a good attack is the best defence". Low level fighters with good chins are probably lacking in most or all of these other areas or they wouldn't be low level fighters.