Clips of Mayweather claiming to be better than Ali

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  1. scandcb

    scandcb Active Member Full Member

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    If Castillo can pressure him then I am certain Duran could and more.

    Floyd doesn't have the power or volume to get anything going against Hearns.

    Leonard's combos and power would be far too much for him to handle.

    The previous era of boxing was really weak. Mayweather was just the best of a bad bunch.
     
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  2. NoNeck

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    Erase Chavez. Whitaker's resume also falls off a cliff far before Mayweather's.
     
  3. NoNeck

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    1. While Mayweather won only a close fight against the best 135 fighter on the planet other than himself, while injured and not counting the rematch, Duran lost to several fighters who weren't even on Castillo's level. DeJesus was nowhere near Floyd's level either.

    2. Canelo and everyone else Floyd fought respected his power. Floyd did not require volume to beat several first ballot hof fighters.

    3. De La Hoya, Cotto, Pacquiao, Corrales, Canelo and others failed to get off those dazzling and/or brutal combinations against Floyd. I often wonder why that was and reason that, surely, this same bad luck wouldn't overcome Leonard.
     
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    scandcb Active Member Full Member

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    Did you write this rubbish with a TMT T shirt on?

    1. Duran's style gives Mayweather fits. Mayweather always struggled with pressure fighters who mixed things up.

    2. Do you seriously believe that Mayweather's power is equal to Leonard's?

    3. Perhaps because Prime Leonard was a better offensive fighter than the boxers you mentioned.
     
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  5. NoNeck

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    1. That's just bull****. He owned Canelo, beat Castillo on any card in the rematch, and did fine against Pac, Cotto and Oscar. Ill remind you that he was 37 when he fought Maidana.

    It's far more glaring that Duran struggled with boxers like DeJesus, Leonard, and Benitez, losing four times between the three with one No Mas, and lost to the forgettable Kirkland Laing and Robbie Simms.

    2. Mayweather's power would be respected by Leonard.

    3. Pacquiao would dispute that.
     
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    scandcb Active Member Full Member

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    You post utter ****.

    1. He struggled against Castillo and Maidana. Canelo was nowhere near the pressure fighter he became later on in his career. ODH gave him a very close fight.

    2. That is not what I asked. Leonard's power would bust Mayweather up. Mayweather's power would not give Hearns or Leonard any issues at all.

    3. You seriously think a past it and injured Pacquiao was as good offensively as a prime Leonard? Not in a million years.
     
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  7. Bokaj

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    See, that won't happen.
     
  8. NoNeck

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    Whitaker beat him. But saying Chavez presented no problems to Whitaker in comparison to various Mayweather fights is disingenuous.
     
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  9. NoNeck

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    1. He went 4-0 against Castillo and Maidiana. He was injured in the first Castillo fight, "avenged" it for good measure, and was nearing the age of Leonard when Camacho whooped his ass for the Maidana fights. Canelo was on every pfp list and held multi-belts already. Mayweather lopsidedly took the second half of their fight from Oscar.

    2. Leonard's power would bust Mayweather up if he stood still and took flush shots or traded, whcih he wouldn't do. There is no reference point for fighters who didn't respect Mayweather's power. Even the super-middle in ring version of Canelo showed him respect that he didn't give GGG and Kovalev.

    3. Manny showed excellent offense against Bradley and Algieri leading into the Mayweather fight. If you want to look elsewhere, Corrales' offense at 130 was among the best ever at that divison.
     
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    1. That doesn't mean that he didn't have issues with Castillo and Maidiana who while good boxers are nowhere near as good as pressuring as Duran was. I never bought the injury excuse for the first Castillo bout either. Canelo being on every P4P list in 2013 doesn't say much given how **** weak this era of boxing is compared to previous eras.

    2. Leonard was able to find a way to get his offence going against Benitez who was just as good defensively as Floyd. Leonard would be too busy and powerful for Mayweather. You are also delusional if you believe that the Canelo who boxed Mayweather is at the same level as the Canelo of today.

    3. Do you seriously rate Mayweather above Leonard all-time or head to head?
     
  11. NoNeck

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    1. Leonard got his ass kicked by Norris and Camacho. LOL.

    Andre Ward, Roman Gonzalez, Rigondeaux, Marquez, Sergio Martinez, Wlad Klitschko, Pacquiao, Bradley, Cotto, Donaire and others were active and in top form when Canelo and Mayweather had their fight. You do not know boxing if think that's a weak line up.

    2 Benitez had none of Maywether's counterpunching ability which was a strong deterrent. If you do not know that, you are delusional. He also didn't have the lead right hand or jab to the body.

    3. I rate Mayweaher above Leonard all time. I've slightly favored Mayweather against Leonard for a long time because Leonard didn't have the defense/counterpunching and looped his punches a lot more than Mayweather. He also lacked Mayweaher's mid fight adjustments. It would be very competitive though
     
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  12. Seamus

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    Julio dusts him at 130 and 135. Duran does the same at 135.
     
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    Leonard lacked Mayweather mid fight adjustments? Did you not watch his fights with Hearns and Kaule. It would be competitive but Leonard would win quite easily. Mayweather's counter-punching and power would not give him many issues. Leonard was a near perfect all-rounder with few weaknesses.

    Leonard was old, had an eye injury and was coming off long lay-offs when he fought Norris and Camacho.

    Cotto and Martinez are overrated. Bradley was nothing overly special. Ward doesn't break the top 50 of all time either. Probably not even the top 75. Pac was past his best by 2013. Anyway, the 2000s in general have not been as strong as the 80s or 90s.
     
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    1. Mayweather is the GOAT at midfight adjustments. It's why he won so many fights against guys with advantages or similar physical tools who were competitive in the first half. Leonard did not adjust in the first Duran fight or the Hagler fight off the top of my head.

    Leonard was not perfect. He looped his right hand, had defensive vulnerabilities, and was not a great counter puncher. He often wasted energy on excessive movement.

    2. Mayweather also aged and came back from injuries and layoffs. The eye issue would not have affected performance and did not justify the entirety of Leonard's layoff. He also was a cokehead/alcoholic whereas Maywether was a gym rat.

    3. If Cotto, Martinez, and Bradley do not count, I'll raise you GGG, Pirog, Kovalev, Stevenson, Fury, Estrada, and Nietes.

    Ward was an ATG talent. He chose to take a layoff mid career and and retire relatively young, but that has nothing to do with his talent level.

    Pac would see pfp top 3 in 2014.
     
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  15. White Bomber

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    That's a lot of horse ****. No, he would not win easy at all. Not unless Mayweather becomes stupid all of sudden and tries to out-punch Leonard and trade with him, which anyone with a brain can tell you won't happen.
    Even if Leonard wins, it will be very close.
    I favour Mayweather. Just like NoNeck, I hated on the *******. I was praying he'd get beat, that's how much I hated him and his arrogant ass. I still have a total dislike for his style, but at the same time, there's no way for me not to appreciate his skills. I must give credit where it's due.
    The ******* was just that good.