Is Povetkin a future HOFer?

Many ppl in this forum claimed that EE boxers were not appreciated by muricans, yet Golovkin, Loma, Usyk, Bertebiev are all praised to high heaven, I bet those guys will get into HOF when they retired too. Not sure what they really complained about.

 

Golovkin was robbed twice against Canelo, Loma was stiffed on the cards against Lopez (despite losing a close fight) Korobov was robbed against Charlo, Kovalev was the bete blanc of the U.S. boxing media, was robbed and cheated against Ward, Beterbiev has received awful promotion (though some of this is because he's a Muslim) similar stories with Hrgovic and Makhmudov. In Britain, Klitschko would have been robbed against AJ, Bivol almost got robbed a few weeks ago against a British level fighter, Usyk was almost robbed against journeyman Chisora (who isn't usually popular with judges) and they would have robbed him against Bellew. The Klitschko era was allegedly the "worst ever" according to the U.S. boxing media solely because Eastern Europeans dominated the top 10, aka outcompeted the Americans and Brits at the time. The EE fighters have been in the highly abstract "P4P" lists because their ability could not be denied but it's all reluctant. They've been heavily avoided, poorly promoted and had to fight against A-side privilege in their biggest fights.

 

This is true. More EE fighters have had bias in the judging against them more than any collective group of fighters of modern times. I rarely have seen a close fight where the E. European fighter gets a close nod that ppl feel the opponent deserved.

Kovalev was robbed in Ward 1
Golovkin deserved both fights with Canelo
Loma who I felt lost - to Lopez and Salido got no benefit from the judges.
The list goes on. There is a clear and definite bias goin on

 

And arguably still hasn't...

Not that that particular episode is necessarily pivotal, more that Wilders resume in general and personality both preclude him from the "highly respected" category.

Sure, Povetkin at that point was levels above the Ortiz that became Wilders best win, so it would've been his stiffest test by far, but then I'd be fairly confident Povetkin would've had way too much for Wilder anyway.

 

If he is it makes a mockery of the whole thing.Good fighter but hall of fame surely not

 

Wilder is probably less bad than convicted ******, ear mutilator and roid-fiend Mike Tyson but Tyson was still a very respected champion. I would say that Wilder is very respected (more than Chris Byrd or old Holyfield certainly) in the sense that he's feared because he's so fast and rangy and can switch your lights off and maybe do you serious damage at any moment. Wilder's resume is thin today but it wouldn't be the thinnest in the HOF. He racked up 10 defences against 7 mid-high level journeymen, 2 contenders and a 60% Tyson Fury, along with 30 cans, KO'ing all but Fury. On pure ability he's certainly one of the best American heavyweights of all time, owing to his outstanding physical and mental (lol) characteristics: extremely tall and rangy, large frame, very fast, ATG power and explosiveness, tough, agile, unorthodox, suspiciously good stamina, delusionally confident, huge heart and tenacity.

Povetkin-Wilder could have gone either way. I'd give Povetkin a slight edge but his vastly superior skills may not be able to consistently overcome the physical disadvantages. Finkel certainly didn't want to risk it though.

 

Only on Eastside's General forum does this laughable question ever get posed.

HEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL NOOO he ain't no HOFmer!

 

By the standards of their respective days? I think it would.

Wilders resume is shockingly poor... He might be a good fighter, but there's just no way of knowing when he's avoided most dangerous contenders - the one time he dared step up and fight someone serious he got thoroughly embarrassed.

Significant power, yes. Dangerous, sure... Still massively overrated.

 

You need to have at the very least been a champion to be in the hall of Fame unless you've done something very special. Simple as that. Beating the Dillion whytes Rahmans and takams of the world ain't gonna cut it no matter how long your doing it. You can cry victim all you want.

 

Enter Charles Martin...

 

I have a very different view of historical standards but that's another debate. Wilder shouldn't get so much crap for being destroyed by Fury, it can happen to anyone. It's not like he lost to an obese SMW journeyman. Wilder used to be overrated but now he's underrated. In the time between Fury's return from insanity and Wlad's retirement, most viewed Wilder as a top 2 heavyweight and consensus no.1 after the Ruiz fiasco. 10 defences, undoubtedly one of the best and most feared of his era.

 

Forget Fury, he's levels above...

Who has Wilder actually beaten?
General consensus is overwhelmingly that Ortiz is his best win, but Ortiz himself has a very thin resume (best win: Jennings).

Yes, he was wildly overrated before Fury I, but IMHO he's still overrated now.

10 defences, 9 against poor opposition and the other an absolute robbery against an unfit and rusty Fury (technically it should be 7 defences as Fury should've won the first and the two defences after wouldn't have been defences then).

It's a very poor reign, really, IMHO.

 

Wilder's WBC reign has many similarities with Vitaly's 2nd reign: Both beat a fat crude brawler for the belt, both has a 5 year reign beating up tomato cans and get no respect from it, both considered the 2nd best man in the division after a muscular, technically proficient yet somewhat timid guy. VK is well regarded now, I wonder if Wilder could become the same.

 

This is about Povetkin not Wilder whose career is still ongoing. As of now Povetkin’s resume dumps all over Wilder’s.

In the IBHOF of the modern era: Are the following heavyweights. Note I will not list fighters that fought at heavy but did their hall of fame work in lower weights like Foster and Archie Moore.

Max Schmeling
Joe Louis
Ali
Bivins
Bowe
Charles
Foreman
Frazier
Holmes
Holyfield
Johansson
Vitali
Wlad
Marciano
Lewis
Liston
Norton
Patterson
Tyson
Walcott


Now to make a reasonable argument for Povetkin. Remove one name from that list and make a clear argument that Povetkin has the better resume.

 

Wilder would have to get serious about taking bigger fights really fast for this to change... And judging by his pathetic presser with Fury, that ain't happening.

Povetkin would've been a far more worthy champion than Wilder