9-9 & 10-10 rounds

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Do you score 10-10 rounds

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  1. 007 373 5963

    007 373 5963 Active Member Full Member

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    Was NOT expecting that. I figure to be a boxing judge you'd have to be at least 80 and partially blind.
     
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  2. Zulu King

    Zulu King Member banned Full Member

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    It's rare but yeah I will score a round 9-9 under those circumstances.

    I've never bought into the idea that there can't be even 10-10 rounds. I know some elitists consider it lazy to score a round 10 10 but I have seen plenty of rounds where neither fighter makes a superior case. Giving a guy the round simply because he 'pressed the action' doesn't always work for me...
    For me, effective punching is the end all be all for scoring, even if the guy has much lower punch output.
    One clean landed blow can be enough to sway the round for me.
    But if neither guy can distinguish themselves in that area, it because much more trickier to score.
    What is the point of being the agressor or pressing the action of at the end of the round you still haven't landed any clean blows.
    Ironically, some of the cleanest, round altering punches often come from guys that have reputations of being light punchers.
    Guys like Floyd, Bhop, Ward, theses guys were masters at getting in one or two punches in the clinches or breaking from clinches. For me that's a lot easier to score than two guys flailing away at each other, hitting gloves, hitting elbows and missing punches.
     
  3. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    NEWSFLASH EVERYONE!!

    The referee didn't stop the fight after Wilder landed a few more shots when Fury got up because Fury fought back just fine LATER ON IN THE ROUND...

    Wow, so the referee had a crystal ball with him in the ring! Clever, clever, clever...!

    By the way, my opinion of Wilder has nothing to do with what I've said. I actually preferred Wilder to Fury at the time.

    I just have a different opinion from you and unlike you my reasons make sense.

    (Christ almighty...)
     
  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What are you talking about? Guys get knocked down, they get up, the referee lets the fight go on, the opponent batters them a little more, and the ref stops it then when they are on their feet.

    That happens all the time.

    Fury fought back after he got knocked down and the round continued to its end.

    It was a 10-8 round.

    How hard do you have to floor someone IN YOUR MIND to get a 10-8 round?
     
  5. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm talking about the absolute nonsense you said here:

    'He fought back just fine, which is why the fight continued until the bell rang ending the round ... and was not stopped after Wilder landed a few more shots after Fury got up.'

    Think about it.

    You're saying that the referee chose not to stop the fight at that stage because of something that happened later in the round...

    It depends on what happens in the rest of the round.
    You can't take one incident in a round and score the round on that basis and ignore everything else!

    THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT!!

    (Christ almighty...)
     
  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Everything else?

    Your first post in this thread was asking about the rules of scoring a round, and now you're telling me what the rules are. (LOL)

    Take any fighter you want, put them in this round right here ... and the guy who scores the knockdown wins the round 10-8.

    This is a 10-8 round. You asked about 10-8 rounds. This is a prime example of one. 10-9 rounds don't look like this.

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  7. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You can't read.

    Guys get knocked down, they get up, the referee lets the fight go on, the opponent batters them a little more, and the ref stops it then when they are on their feet.

    That happens all the time.

    Fury fought back after he got knocked down and the round continued to its end.

    You asked about how to score a round. Everyone told you how to score a round. Now you want to argue about nonsense.

    I'm not arguing with idiots today. Pass.

    Go ahead and score everything 10-9 from the confines of your home. Nobody cares. You aren't a judge.
     
  8. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's not what you said and you know it.

    It's a classic example of someone trying to change what they said because they're not big enough to admit when they're wrong.

    I'm not going to spend any more time explaining to you why you're spouting rubbish.

    I've got better things to do, like asking Jack Reiss for tonight's EuroMillions numbers.
     
  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I copied and pasted what I wrote. (LOL)

    I wasn't going to re-type it just for you.

    Bye now.
     
  10. chacal

    chacal F*** the new normal Full Member

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    someone scoring 9-9 in a 10 point MUST scoring system without a point deduction is nothing but someone shouting that we have to ignore his scorecard because he has no freaking idea about scoring boxing fights. This word, "MUST", can give you a hint.

    regarding 10-10. It's curious, I tell people not to do it, but then, when nobody is watching, I do it quite often... (but I will never admit it ) :wistle::eusa_whistle:
     
  11. shadow111

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    I think that's a little harsh. While the official judges have to score 10 to at least 1 fighter before point deductions, if someone on an internet forum scores a round 9-9 without any knockdowns or point deductions, it isn't a big deal, it doesn't mean you don't know boxing. Fans aren't official judges, the reason to score a round 9-9 instead of 10-10 is sensible - it's to differentiate a low output even round vs a high output even round. In a world where total points awarded by judges mattered, the difference between a 9-9 even round and a 10-10 even round makes sense. If two fighters are going balls to the wall in a round and each are landing a high number and equal amount of clean punches, that deserves 10-10. if two fighters are doing nothing in a round and are just dancing around the ring for 3 minutes barely throwing a punch, 9-9 makes more sense, as a way to penalize them for not working enough in a round.

    Also the 10 point must system isn't the only way to score a boxing match. There was a time before the 10 point must system and judges would score rounds differently. In the old days, before the 10 point must, the scores would be read out based on how many rounds each fighter won and how many rounds were scored even. The difference between that and the 10 point must is that the 10 point must factors in knockdowns and awards an extra point for a knockdown. In the old days a knockdown might cause a judge to score that round for the fighter who got the knockdown, but it wasn't automatic extra points like it is now, which is typically 2 points extra as the fighter who scores a knockdown these days almost always is awarded a 10-8 round as a rule of thumb, even though it's only supposed to be an extra point. But consider this, in the old days, if a fighter scored a knockdown in a round, he wouldn't get the extra points for it that fighters get today since the judges in the old days and the referee who scored the match would simply read out their final tally of how many rounds each fighter won plus the # of even rounds, which didn't give extra credit inherently to each knockdowns like is the case today with the 10 point must.
    Why do you tell people not to do it? In retrospect, it seems to me that the dissuading of judges from scoring even rounds was a result of the round limit being reduced from 15 rounds to 12 rounds. It seems that the commissions decided after the standard became 12 rounds to stress to their judges that it's more important to choose a winner in every round since there were a reduced # of rounds in total. This is a fallacy though, if anything even rounds should be even more encouraged with 12 rounds because now the total # of rounds is an even number which increases the probability of a draw if there aren't any even rounds or any knockdowns. The reason why we see draw cards so often is primarily because even rounds aren't allowed, so you don't get that occasional even round that would cause a 114-114 score to be 115-114.
     
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  12. Sap1en

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    Very rare that I would but if two fighters take a round off would score 10-10. Never 9-9 unless it's for points deductions.
     
  13. shadow111

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    I understand that's the way the 10 point must system was designed, and I'm a big proponent of scoring even rounds, but thinking about it logically if both fighters do nothing in a round and you score it 10-10 because that's the only score you're allowed to give for an even round, you're essentially giving each fighter the maximum # of points for doing nothing. It would make more sense to give them both less points for doing nothing and more points for working harder and landing more punches. In other sports, football/soccer for example, if both teams don't do anything in a match and score no goals, the final score isn't 1-1, it's 0-0. Teams don't get points in a match for doing nothing and not scoring. That's where I see a flaw in the 10 point must system. I think it would be better if judges were allowed to score 9-9 rounds even for low output even rounds and 10-10 for high output even rounds. That way fighters who put in more work and land more punches get more credit in terms of total points than fighters who work less hard.
     
  14. The Real Lance

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    Giving both 9-9 or 10-10 wouldn't really change anything. It's still even for the round. What Football and soccer does w/ their scores means absolutely nothing to boxing, even in comparison.

    What would a 9-9 round do that a 10-10 doesn't?
     
  15. chacal

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    tbh, I casually score 99.9% the fights 5-7, 3-9 or 12-0. In very rare, very very rare occasion I score them with the 10 point must system.

    How is the fight going? I would answer 99% of the time 4-2, or something like that.

    edit: oh, and I tell people not to 10-10 because it's not recommended. But I do it anyway (but I tell no-one). I dont like when a pro-judge does it. One thing is my casual scoring, and another thing the pro-judges.