If Wilder actually beats or KOs Fury it will go down as the greatest HW redemption of all times

maybe

 

Interesting, I'd always gotten the impression that he looked fairly slick and comfortable at the levels of competition he'd taken on... Maybe it's time to revisit the footage and see if I've missed something.

I'm always reluctant to automatically assume that a fighter is levels better than they've dared to show (by which I mean that they're better than their resume shows), but I had at least thought Ortiz had the potential to step up a bit more than he ever did - if there are hints that that's not the case then I'd have to revise my opinion that he was better than Chisora and revert to the assumption that Dereck is better because his resume is better...

 

Would be a massive upset if it happened Zulu, but just don't see it happening.
My take on the fight is, wilder coming out like a rhino on heat, but that's just playing into Furys hands, literally. By the fifth, Wilders absolutely worn out. Everything he's thrown or done has amounted to nothing.
Fury knows it to and smashes him down for a 6 round Ko.

 

Wilder cannot beat Tyson Fury

 

1-As I said, knocking someone out isn't easy and it requires skill. Wilder isn't just throwing random punches hoping something will land. A fluke/luck would be like if you tripped and missed slamming your head on a rock by 1 inch.

You could get a guy from a bar who hits like Earnie Shavers and he would never beat fury in a boxing match even in 100 matches unless he had plenty of boxing training and experience. There's a difference between having punching power and being able to deliver that power consistently on an intelligent moving target.

So no, it would not be a "fluke" or lucky punch if wilder knocked fury out. Especially because he failed to do so twice already and now Fury is even more confident, is in better shape, active, and knows how wilder fights do he'll be even more prepared. If fury "has his number" and yet loses, then you would have to give Wilder credit for overcoming the odds, not just writing him off. Because that would imply anyone who hits hard could have produced the same knockout and we know this is false. If nothing else, Wilder is skilled at setting up and delivering his power. If all he was is a mindless slugger who just goes for it he would have more than a dozen losses.

2-ok but the guy wrote that whyte would be the best boxer wilder beat if he beat him and that is simply not true. Speaking of mindless sluggers, that's exactly what Whyte was in several fights before he started to actually work on his technique. Povetkin humbled him and we see him throwing straighter punches and having better awareness now. Ortiz is leagues ahead of Whyte in terms of skill. As for resume, Ortiz has actually tried to get fights with many boxers who for whatever reason never fought him. Joshua paid him step aside money then never actually defended against him. Whyte himself was supposed to fight Ortiz in an eliminator and he refused.

3-i have no idea what you're talking about here. Of course Ortiz was a difficult fight. He was ranked #1 and #3 in multiple sanctioning bodies. He had way more experience than wilder having like 300 amateur bouts, was a southpaw, and had far more skill than wilder whole having good punching power himself and was undefeated. And it did turn out to be a hard fight both times, he outboxed wilder and had him badly hurt.

4-wilder wasn't "gifted" a draw, he brutally knocked fury down in two separate rounds and was the defending champion. No man in the history of boxing got dropped twice and won a 12 round decision over a champion. All wilder had to do the rest of the fight was have a couple of close rounds to make things even. Blame the score system. And try watching the fight without bias if that's even possible, stop just repeating narratives. People are acting as if Fury just boxed circles around him from start to finish and wilder couldn't lay a glove on him outside of two knockdowns. Furys bruised bloody face and the punch stats don't lie.

5-wilder let fury get two tune ups before fighting him. They were supposed to have an immediate rematch and he gave him ANOTHER two tune ups. This idea that team wilder only took the fight because they sensed weakness and rust in nonsense. They were actually going to fight way back in like 2014 before fury went on a coke binge and dumped his belts. At no point was wilder ever scared of Fury or attempting to wait it out and hope he falls off.

6-i wouldn't say he has "fragile pride" if he's willing to fight a guy for the 3rd time when many people keep arguing that he lost the last two. A man with a fragile ego would have just retired or picked an easier opponent. It's very funny how all these trash talkers on the internet are making fun of wilder and not giving him credit for trying to set the record straight. Many of you still have bullies/coworkers/exes who terrify you and make you walk the other direction when you see them instead of facing your fears.

 

yes it will be a big comeback of that stupid bomb squad squawking.

 

Well, I do always say, expect the unexpected in boxing!

 

I honestly think Fury may contemplate suicide if he loses. He has the biggest ego and attention need of all the heavyweights, hence his excellent desire to win.

And he is mentally the weakest too after confessing to suffer so badly from mental illness it got him snorting cocaine, addicted to alcohol, blowing up to 400lbs and nearly committing suicide.

 

There isn't a 4th in the contract. And every fight between the 2 has occurred because Deontay has chased it and been pro-active in pursuing it. He has pursued Fury from the years before any were champions.

Fury has declined the immediate rematch and asked for 2 warm ups before their 2nd fight, and tried to break their contract and his word to get out of the 3rd fight.

I doubt, if Wilder wins, he would grant Fury another fight.

 

At least boxing gets title defences with Wilder.

Fury became champ in 2015, 6 years ago, and this is his first title defence.

 

Louis vs Schmeling nearly impossible to ever be outdone.

Ali in his trilogy with Frazier.

Foreman winning the title in his 40's so long into retirement.

Wilder beating Fury in their third match wouldn't approach any of these. Not a blip on the radar.

 

There is a 99% chance that Fury will win again, either but dancing around or bum rushing Wilder.
But there is always that 1% in Wilder's right hand.
Don't quibble on the %. You get my point.

 

Wilder is only a +235 underdog, so it would not actually be all *that* surprising. You are right about Louis/Schmeling, tho -- Louis was nearly a 2-1 favorite in the rematch.

By contrast, Buster Douglas had been considered a quitter and a bum and thus the Tyson fight was an extraordinary redemption. If you are referring to pure rematch scenarios, Patterson is a good one as is Leonard/Duran II.

 

It’d be a tremendous come back, but It couldn’t hold a candle to a 45 year old man regaining the heavyweight championship of the world 20 years after losing it.