I just spent 4 HOURS watchin GGG - CANELO 2 at 0.25 speed, TOTAL punch stats + unique punch scoring.

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  1. gdm

    gdm Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Shadow prob re-watching the fight now and counting punches canelo landed . His score will be 9 rounds to 3 for Clen .
     
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  2. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good work

    I had it 117-111 whilst watching it live and I did think it was a bid wide compared to many at the time.

    However it must be said the vast majority post fight did give the second fight to GGG. It was only 3-6 months later that suddenly the Canelo PR machine came into affect.

    Now when you ask your average casual who won the second fight they say Canelo. What about the scorecards of all of the ex boxers, fans and journalists that gave it to GGG? Let’s pretend that never happened. It did happen though and GGG clearly won both fight 1 and fight 2.
     
  3. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That's why the live boxing media coverage had it 40 GGG, 15 even and 2 for Canelo, and they were sober because their job depended on it. While some others who were drunk and were impressed by the story of the fight," which was Canelo seldom stepping back compared to running most of the first fight" had Canelo winning.
     
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  4. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    GGG'S jabs were brutal in that fight.
     
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  5. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    GGG throws sledgehammer blows. Always heavy.
     
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  6. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Excellent analysis that supports what we all saw that night. GGG robbed again.
     
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  7. jaytxxl

    jaytxxl Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That’s funny you say that because I’ve noticed that recently. It’s rarely mentioned how the majority had GGG winning the second fight.
     
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  8. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    well i hope it made you feel better. personally, i saw canelo beat the crap out of ggg the second fight. but we probably have different understandings of fighting.
     
  9. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    IsaL and Shadow have 4 accounts, so it’s to be expected that they dominate the boards with their propaganda. To the point where you can wait a matter of minutes for them to go into their own threads with the alt accounts to bump the comments and like their own content.

    I’ve often thought they are plants to stir controversy - creating more posts, more traffic, more engagement - more $.

    If you go back in the ESB days all of the troll accounts like MVC! , eltirado, boxing_master all just disappeared.

    They come back with the same posting style as alts to pump up other fighters.
     
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  10. From.Russia

    From.Russia Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Lol, great. Maybe in future we would have some sort of indicators on fighters body, that gonna count punches, haha. It would be fair when judges could also watch in slow mo the fight afterwards or between the rounds, but it gonna be ******ed and kill all atmosphere. I am watching UEFA Euro now and this ****ing VAR system killing the mood, after almost each goal you have to wait for decision...

    GGG made 2 mistakes in the fight:
    1. he didnt go to the body, like he literally threw 2 or 3 body shots in the whole fight.
    2. he was backing up, which many judges dont like.

    If you win 2 early rounds against Canelo decisively and you have much better gas tank like GGG does, you can just win ez later rounds, because he gasses hard, and more or less secure the fight, but winning against skilled, granite chin cash cow is super hard anyway.
     
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  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I've been called out in this topic, because lets face it, what's a Canelo GGG topic without me taking GGG fans to task on what happened. But you don't need SLOW MOTION to count punches and prove what happened in the rematch. Canelo landed significantly more body punches and power punches, while GGG landed significantly more jabs. The judges were not going to give the fight to GGG who was afraid to engage who spent most of the fight backing away throwing light jabs that didn't do any damage. GGG called for a toe-to-toe Mexican style war, and when push came to shove, he retreated from that kind of a fight. That made it very hard for judges to score close rounds to him when Canelo was the fighter who was moving forward and doing the damage round after round. We've talked about it many times that judges prefer come forward fighters. It's the same reason why GGG got a draw and Canelo didn't get that win the first time because two judges prefered GGG's come forward strategy.

    As far as the scoring in the rematch, it's very clear that GGG won rounds 1 and 4, while Canelo won rounds 2, 3, 5, 6 and 7. Rounds 8-12 are exceedingly more difficult to score than the first 7 rounds. But it's clear that Canelo had a big lead heading into the late rounds. So GGG was losing, even his trainer told him he was losing. For GGG fans looking for reasons to give GGG rounds, it would be very possible for you to count punches and argue GGG outlanded Canelo in more than 6 rounds. But counting punches is not how rounds are scored, body language plays a big role in what the judges see. What the judges saw and what the public saw was Canelo giving GGG an unrelenting beating round after round, we saw Canelo imposing his will on GGG and turning GGG into a scared fighter fighting off the backfoot. The judges could not take it away from Canelo who outworked GGG by loading up with power shots and landing more damaging blows in the vast majority of rounds. I know this is hard for GGG fans to accept, but you guys are embarrassing yourself at this point still crying over spilt milk. GGG took the L and the better man won.
     
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  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're becoming a little obsessed with me. I don't have any alt accounts buddy, this is all in your imagination.
     
  13. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Agreed about VAR, it is absolutely killing football. VAR must be stopped.
    Yes, that's the main reasons why he lost. But his biggest mistakes he made were before he even stepped into the ring. He complained that Canelo didn't fight Mexican style in the first match, then he accused Canelo of lying about eating contaminated meat. These statements by GGG lit a fire under Canelo and it motivated Canelo to give GGG the true Mexican Style beating he deserved.
    That's sort of what happened, but GGG's better gastank is mainly because GGG doesn't load up on shots like Canelo does. GGG especially in the rematch was conserving his energy for the later rounds. Canelo was fatigued in the later rounds of the rematch due to how hard he worked over the first 7 or 8 rounds of the match. But Canelo always was making investments in the body which slowed GGG down as well. GGG was very careful not to exert himself in the early stages, whereas Canelo threw caution to the wind and went all out with a consistent and relentless assault of power punches.
     
  14. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I did similar a while back. 7-5 GGG would be being generous to Canelo.. GGG won 8-9 rounds... Can't believe there's the narrative Canelo walked him down or that this fight was closer than the first. This fight just proved Golovkin could outbox him without walking him down.. Absolute shambles of a boxing decision that has tainted the sport even more so with the deluded fans who try to reach and give Canelo the fight

    Also, Golovkin landed a very clean but less flashy left hook in round 2 (0:25) that looked to perk Canelos ears up..
     
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  15. OneShot

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    Reading your scoring system I thought you were intentionally setting up GGG to fail. The fact that he still came out well on top says a lot.

    I'm not going to watch the fight at 0.25 speed to validate your stats though.

    I thought GGG won both fights, even if they were close. The fact that he got neither I think is the biggest joke. Ultimately GGGs career looks a whole lot different with those two as W's on his record.
     
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