I just spent 4 HOURS watchin GGG - CANELO 2 at 0.25 speed, TOTAL punch stats + unique punch scoring.

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Compubox had Canelo outlanding GGG in round 6 in total punches by a significant margin. 23 punches for Canelo only 16 for GGG. You end up seeing 26 landed punches from GGG, 10 more than Compubox and only 2 more than Compubox for Canelo. This is a round that pretty much everybody except for Q74 gave to Canelo.

    It's also important to point out that GGG threw a lot more punches overall, 879 - 622, so on average that's over 21 more punches thrown per round. And GGG threw nearly twice as many jabs in the fight, and he threw over 24 more jabs per round than Canelo did. So when someone throwing that many more jabs, the chances are that he's going to outland someone by sheer luck. The jab is the easiest punch to land by far, and for GGG to throw so many jabs speaks but for the total landed punches to still be close speaks volumes. GGG's jabbing % in the rematch according to compubox was 21.6% that's extremely low for GGG. Vs Jacobs it was 29.5%. In Canelo 1 it was 29.9%. Vs Derevyanchenko it was 26.4%. Vs Lemieux it was 29.9%.

    How do you explain such a low jab connect % by GGG in the rematch? Surely that is indicative of a fighter relying too much on the jab and still missing a ton of jabs even with the guy standing right in front of him and coming forward. For Canelo to make GGG miss that many jabs in the rematch while fighting in the pocket most of the fight is remarkable. Just shows how skilled Canelo was at blocking and slipping the jab in the rematch.
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Probably because GGG threw so many more jabs overall. GGG threw over 24 more jabs per round than Canelo. Jabs are the easiest punch to land. If you throw 24 more jabs per round than your opponent, chances are you're gonna land more punches just by luck. But you don't determine who won rounds based on glancing jabs that are partly blocked or partly slipped. These are meaningless punches for the most part when compared to flush power shots. The jabs that matter were the relatively rare flush and stiff jabs that both fighters had success landing occassionally throughout the bout.
     
  3. Puroresu_Fan

    Puroresu_Fan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why bother?

    Judges don't watch fights in slow motion.
     
  4. BCS8

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    Because that fight has been argued over on the forums since it happened.
     
  5. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dude just stop, you've already demonstrated previously that you don't know what a clean landed punch is and that you massively overemphasise Canelo's punches
     
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  6. BCS8

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    And that's the saddest part. He really is skilled and his reputation has holes blown in it for all the crap he does outside the ring.
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LOL according to you, someone who scored round 6 of the rematch to GGG. And besides, I was specifically called out by multiple posters to come in here and break it down for them. I can't disappoint my biggest fans @kiwi_boxer @BCS8 and @gdm.
     
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  8. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You do realise one of the reason I did this 4 hour thing is to verify that compubox numbers are complete bull****, I didn't even count grazing punches (for the most part) as scoring punches when watching at 0.25, GGG landed about a 100 of them in the fight and Canelo about 30-40, so if I counted them GGG would be even further ahead.

    Both fighters landed over a 100 more punches each than they had them landing according to compubox. Compubox is 1 or 2 guys counting punches live at normal speed. They shouldn't be trusted and I've learnt that over my year of watching boxing.

    I didn't count the % of landed punches as it would be too much work, all I know is Canelo landed fewer power punches than compubox had him land and more jabs.

    I even tried to favor Canelo with my scoring criteria for the punches and he was still way behind, please if you ever have some time, watch the fight at 0.5 or 0.25 speed and you'll see and appreciate Golovkin's underrated defense as well as Canelo's upperbody movement
     
  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What determines who wins rounds though isn't tallying up the total punches, it's by watching a round in real-time and looking at the major significant shots landed and making a determination of who's best shots were better. The little punches / ineffective work doesn't make much difference. That's why Compubox #s or counting punches in general can be so misleading. They don't get to the heart of what truly determines who wins rounds. This isn't amateur boxing where punch counting determines who wins. In Pro boxing it's more about the punches that have an impact on the judges. In some cases, a single big punch can swing a round.
     
  10. FastSmith7

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    You're right, however GGG landed the more significant punches and the quality of his work was higher. Canelo barely landed to the body, there were about 30 body shots that looked like they landed in real time but it was clear GGG blocked them on slow motion. So I can see why someone would be swayed by that. There were so many examples where it looked like Canelo landed but it was either parried or blocked by GGG. I'm not trying to bull**** or anything. I am not the biggest fan of Canelo but I always see people saying Canelo won the 2nd fight so I wanted to really see if he did win, I made a scoring criteria where a power punch to the head counted as 3 punches, a clean body shot counted as 2 punches and a significant power punch counted as 8, I did all that to be more fair on Canelo as I knew he threw more power shots.

    After watching and analysing, it was actually Golovkin who accumulated more bonus points which means he landed the more significant punches throughout the night. There were so many instances where Golovkin blocked whole sequences from Canelo that looked like they landed on live viewing and the crowd didn't help matters when they started roaring after every missed body shot from Canelo.

    Canelo often got in the lead especially in the middle rounds, he was outlanding GGG like 15-6 in the first minute of some rounds, but he faded in the next 2 minutes and fell behind and the round ended 40-25 to GGG or something like that.

    Also, Canelo only landed ONE very significant punch in the whole fight, that was the beautiful left hook in round 2. Golovkin did very well to either full parry or partially block a lot of the hard shots, they did land but most of the sting was taken out so I counted them as 3 pointers instead of 8 pointers, but the same applied for Canelo who managed to take sting off some huge GGG punches.

    Just as an example, go to 2:30 of the 6th round or 1:32 of the 4th and have a look at the Canelo body shots in normal speed and 0.25, In normal speed it looks like it hit GGG clean but if you watch it at 0.25 you can see that it hit Golovkin's arm, there were countless of punches like that from Canelo.

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  11. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hell of a thread.

    GGG beat Canelo twice.
     
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  12. Jacob Hall

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    i dnno why your still around on this forum everyone thinks your a joke and an embarrassment. must be one sad existence waiting to defend your hero all day lol.
     
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  13. shadow111

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    The left hook to the body with 2:28 on the clock? You're not counting that? That landed, he dug that in around the elbow, then GGG moved his elbow and backed away making it look like he blocked it.

    Here's a screenshot - https://imgur.com/ginp8qg

    If GGG blocked it with his elbow, you wouldn't be able to see Canelo's full glove blocking your view of his elbow from this angle. It landed hard, and you could tell it hurt GGG because of how he grimaced and was moved back by it. There's no way a judge wouldn't count that as a landed punch.

    GGG did get his elbows on some Canelo's attempts to land to the body, but in many cases like here, he was too late in getting his elbows down in time to block it. Most of the glove still landed to the body, with a small part of the glove connecting with the elbow.
     
  14. BCS8

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    The Shadowtron is finishing its rinse cycle and gearing up for the spin cycle.
     
  15. HolDat

    HolDat Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Interesting idea. Although, i felt GGG won the fight in real time.
     
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