I just spent 4 HOURS watchin GGG - CANELO 2 at 0.25 speed, TOTAL punch stats + unique punch scoring.

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You're scoring system produced GGG with more scoring points in 10 of the rounds, Canelo with more points in only 1 round, with 1 round even in your points. No one had GGG winning that wide so you're scoring system doesn't translate to who actually won rounds even according to you, so right there your points system doesn't produce an accurate scoring of rounds that you can rely on. That said, I like what you're trying to do, which is to not just count punches but try to reward punches accordingly for how good each punch was. But it's difficult to do because you have to make a decision about every single punch and award a set # of points on that. Which is very subjective on your part, and since we don't have time stamps we have no way to check your math or determine which punches you counted as landed or how you scored them.

    You also had GGG outlanding Canelo in every round except the 12th round which you had an even # of landed punches. Round 6 Compubox had Canelo outlanding GGG by a significant margin in overall punches, and there were several other rounds where Canelo outlanded GGG in total punches or was even. So the only way to have a real debate over who was better, you or compubox is to do timestamps so we can look at how you interpreted and scored every punch. I know that's time consuming and I don't except you to do to it, but we only really need to do that for specific rounds, like round 3 or round 5. Round 6 me and Quina 74 already beat to death a while back with him arguing GGG won it. But you giving that round to Canelo and round 7 is relevant here. Because I can accept you giving GGG round 5 even though that was very close and debatable as well. I gave that to Canelo but I recognized it was close enough to argue for GGG. In terms of power punches, compubox had Canelo outlanding GGG in 9 out of the 12 rounds. And one of the rounds GGG outlanded him in power punches (round 2) you admitted yourself that Canelo won that round with the big left hook. So that leaves only 2 other rounds that GGG outlanded him in power punches, according to compubox, rounds 3 and 5. So I think Round 3 and round 5 are good candidates to do a detailed punch summary with time stamps if you ever are so inclined. If you ever have the time to do that I'll take a look through your decision making and how you awarded points in those rounds.
     
  2. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What kind of challenge?
    You will threat to beat up me in person?:D

    Or you normally think that you had things like fights predictions etc here better than I?
     
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  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i quoted you cause you came in confused about what i do, and what im doing. i was giving you a running explanation, with real time examples. and yes, if youre gonna tell me, how i dont know boxing, then when called to put that lip service to the test, you ***** out and tuck tail, then yes, it shows exactly who you are and what youre made of. otherwise, stfu and stay in your lane.
     
  4. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    yes, i think i know boxing better than you, can predict fights better than you, understand boxing better than you, can deal with my feelings better than you. now what?
     
  5. BCS8

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    But that's what counts in the end. If I throw 10 jabs and land 7 that doesn't put me ahead of the guy that throws 16 and lands 10.
     
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  6. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holy crap...you need anger management classes. I was not confused at what you do. Not hard to see. Did I actually say "YOU DON'T KNOW BOXING?" Or did you take what I said and twist it to what you ASSUME i said. Look man...my original comment was about your trolling, which you somewhat admitted to, just w/o calling it trolling. And you tried to give me your take on your reasoning for trolling.

    Go sober up or something and pump some air out of your overinflated ego FFS. You always post like you have a chip. Must be a fun person to be around...
     
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  7. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    why do you think i said the challenge wasnt directed at you? its you who flew off the handle all emotional and now trying to make it seem like i created this little situation thats got you emotional.
     
  8. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Dude...what emotional anything are you talking about? Seriously, don't try to play that game man. We've both kept it cool so far. Geez...

    If the challenge wasn't to me, why quote ME and make that challenge if it's not for me? Are you confused? I know you said you are old...but damn, like 80? Next time, quote surrix if you are challenging him. You need to smoke a bowl and chill or something...
     
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  9. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What if the seven landed jabs were worth eight points each and the 10 landed jabs were worth one point each?

    LOL
     
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  10. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i already explained it. apparently didnt penetrate the emotional barrier, so here it is again.
    "i quoted you cause you came in confused about what i do, and what im doing. i was giving you a running explanation, with real time examples."
     
  11. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol: good lord....
     
  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Here you said you scored it 117-111 GGG after watching it in slow motion, not just when watching it live.
    But as I pointed out, your scoring system produced a different score (119-110) than you had even after watching it in slow mo. You go from somewhere in between 115-113 & 117-111 to a much wider 119-110 if we're to apply your scoring of rounds to a total score.

    Your whole you scored 2 rounds to Canelo (6 and 7) out of pity is comical. You're making out like the rematch was a GGG domination and Canelo only really won 1 rounds. Canelo was in complete control of the match after 7 rounds. Sanchez said to GGG he was losing after 7 rounds.

    GGG didn't win rounds 8 or 9 clearly, nor did he win rounds 11 or 12 clearly. You're just giving GGG any remotely close round then claiming it's backed up by a new slow-motion scoring system that you invented and we're just supposed to "trust you" that you scored everything perfectly lol. Again I like what you're trying to do in theory, but we need transparency in how you assigned your points to specific landed punches. No one had GGG winning 10 rounds to 1 with 1 even. That should tell you right there that your scoring system is not accurate. This was an extremely close contest, most people had it a draw or 115-113 either way, some had it 116--112 but almost no one had it wider.
     
  13. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    thats what i keep saying. i mean its there in black and white, whats there to be confused about?
     
  14. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm not saying it was domination, it was a close but clear victory for Golovkin, in most rounds there were only 10 punches in it or so.
     
  15. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol: