I just spent 4 HOURS watchin GGG - CANELO 2 at 0.25 speed, TOTAL punch stats + unique punch scoring.

Forgot homer - dickhead. If you're going to do it, do it right.

 

You say round 11 was one of Canelo's best rounds.. And then you say it was a close round..

I've just watched round 11 and this was an absolute clear Golovkin win.. Absolutely clear. You're now clutching at the straws. How in what universe you've managed to score this for Canelo I do not know. Round 12 was closer but still a Golovkin win. Canelo did land some flashy punches in the last third of round 11 though but not near enough . And yes you can score both rounds to Golovkin as he deserved both. I'll timestamp punches landed at some point cba right now ... But one thing is for sure, Canelo in no way won either rounds and especially not round 11.

And I'm gonna use your cosntnat appeal to the majority/judges here.. Because all judges scored round 11 for Golovkin here.. That's not the point because regardless of judges there's no way Golokvin lost round 11..

Your claim that rounds 11 and 12 were not clear for Golovkin is rubbish as well. Round 11 was a clear win. Round 12 was close but Canelo didn't do nearly enough at all

 

GGG started the round well and had a lead early on, but Canelo took over the round down the stretch, and proceeded to impose his will on GGG down the stretch by landing the cleaner and heavier shots.

Round 12 was a toss-up round, very even round. I gave it to GGG after giving Canelo the 11th. My point is both rounds were so razor close scoring that both rounds to the same fighter wouldn't be accurate.

Very good, all judges scored round 11 for GGG, they sure did. This happens both ways. Occasionally there are rounds where all 3 judges give a round to the wrong fighter. Another example of this is Round 4 from the first Canelo GGG fight. This is very favorable judging for GGG. Now you can make the argument that GGG edged both rounds 11 and 12 of the rematch but you could also make the argument that Canelo edged both rounds 11 and 12. My point is that both rounds were so close that if we're not scoring them even it would be best to split these rounds rather than give the same fighter two toss-up rounds in a row.

To match your appeal to the judges scoring this round to GGG, here are compubox numbers in Round 11 which have both fighters landing an equal amount of punches but with Canelo landing more power punches and a much higher %. GGG had a super low jab % in this round well below his average.

Total Canelo 18/45 40% GGG 18/75 24%
Jabs Canelo 4/14 28.6% GGG 6/44 13.6%
Powr Canelo 14/31 45.2% GGG 12/31 38.7%

 

This fight was such a tragedy. GGG dominated and was utterly robbed of a quality win.

 

Canelo took over later on in round 11..mate...no he didn't at all, this is a heavy heavy reach here. I urge someone else to chime in here and watch round 11 because Shadow this is just outright delusion scoring round 11 to Canelo.

And you haven't understood what I'm saying.. I'm not appealing to judges, I'm using your exact reasoning for that round being fighter As by attempting to justify it being the case because a judge has scored it in their favour.

Judges favouring GGG? Come on.

Relying on compubox? Come on.

Round 11 was not razor close at all. Not really debatable unless you want to clutch firmly at the straws. Round 12 was close, not razor close, and a round that GGG won, although competitive, clearly.

You're gonna go into pure denial mode if I can summon the effort to timestamp everything. I'll admit round 6 was much closer than these two rounds.. Rounds 11 and 12 were definitely GGGs

 

He also thinks 3G got favorable judging because judges weren't used to seeing Canelo fight the way he did. Whatever that means...

 

Lmfao

You got more likes with your banal post than the owner of the thread who rewatched Canelo v GGG for more than 4 hours. What injustice!

Lmfao

 

How do you explain the Compubox numbers for Round 6 and Round 11 in the rematch? On average, Compubox numbers favored GGG in most rounds but not in these rounds. I don't think we should be relying on judges or compubox numbers, but when the compubox numbers are even like in Round 11 it should tell you something.

GGG had a very low jab % in Round 11, so since you just rewatched that round, did you notice GGG landing so few jabs? Did you notice Canelo slipping more jabs than usual in that round?

You're twisting my reasoning by trying to appeal to the judges who all scored round 11 to GGG as a means to discount that idea that Canelo should have won the round. When I appealed to judges in rounds where all 3 judges scored a round for Canelo, it wasn't to say you couldn't argue GGG won that round like you're trying to do with Canelo winning round 11 in the rematch, it was merely a means to support my view that Canelo won the round, not to deny that it could be argued for GGG.

I'll give you an example, Round 5 of the rematch. All 3 judges scored that round to Canelo but I said I could see how you would be inclined to score that to GGG. I even said I could stomach scoring it even. So just as you went against "All 3 judges" in Round 5, I'm doing the same thing for Round 11. It works both ways.

 

True. Very good thread though... I would say scientific

 

No, it doesn't because it's inaccurate and you can easily see that by watching what actually lands. Compubox is utter shite end of story it's not really debatable if you watched the rounds properly, scored landed punches and seen how bull**** it is. If you're relying or supporting your argument with compubox then you may as well just not have an argument.

In past posts you have previously emphasised the fact that as three judges have scored a round in favour to Canelo ( I recall it being round 6) that this is some kind of argument in favour of Canelo deserving the round or at least strongly implying it. I'm simply using a similar bs nonsense tactic you use.

I said "I'm using your exact reasoning for that round being fighter As by attempting to justify it being the case because a judge has scored it in their favour." which is what I said and is exactly what you have done before. That IS the point

The most important and relevant point here, however, is that there there is no argument for Canelo winning round 11. Its just an extreme reach based on nonsense. You'd have to be two fists deep in Canelos ******* to think he deserved that in the slightest.

 

Compubox can be inaccurate and misleading and shouldn't be used to prove that a fighter won a round, but when the Compubox #s in a round are even, especially compared to other rounds that often favor the other fighter, it suggests that the round is close and debatable as to who won it. So for you to argue that GGG clearly won a round in which Compubox had an even # of landed punches, it makes your argument that there was a clear winner a tougher sell. It's one thing to argue that you think a fighter won a close round, it's another to argue that your view of who won the round is the only reasonable way to score the round.

The difference is that when I've used this reasoning in the past and cited that all 3 judges scored a round for Canelo, I wasn't denying that the round was close or saying that it was unreasonable to argue the round for GGG.

Round 11 was very close, it was a lot closer than Round 6 I can tell you that much. Closer than Round 5 as well which you gave to GGG. You acting like there's no argument for Canelo winning Round 11 highlights the difference between you and me. You've argued GGG won Round 6, this was a round that all 3 judges and Compubox were clearly against him. In round 11, the Compubox #s suggest it could go either way.

I could make the exact same argument about you and GGG with your scoring of Round 5 and especially Round 6, that GGG winning round 6 was an extreme reach on your part based on nonsense. At least with Round 11, Compubox indicates it was dead even in terms of landed punches and with Canelo landing more power punches and at a much higher %. Round 6 had Canelo outlanding GGG by 7 punches, 6 more power punches and an even higher % difference in punches landed than Round 11.

You flipping out with me scoring these rounds for Canelo shows that you're acting irrationally. And in regards to Round 11 and Round 12, had I given Round 11 to GGG and Round 12 to Canelo, as many people did, you'd still end up with the same score as giving Round 11 to Canelo and Round 12 to GGG. That's my point, in your mind Round 11 is a clear GGG round and Round 12 is a toss-up. So if I scored Round 11 for GGG and Round 12 for Canelo you'd be OK with that but it would still end up being the same score as giving Round 11 for Canelo and Round 12 for GGG.

I think you need to rewatch Round 11 and pay attention to how accurate Canelo was down the stretch of the round landing a lot of heavy clean shots on GGG. GGG started to clearly tire down the stretch of Round 11 while Canelo maintained a consistent power punching work rate. Canelo took over the round down the stretch if you're paying attention. What Canelo landed down the stretch was better and heavier shots than what GGG landed early on. It's a debatable round, that round 11, but you are unwilling to see how Canelo could win that round. That's different than what I've said when I've debated rounds with you. I could have done that about round 5 but I didn't I gave it another look and tried to see what you saw to see how you would score that to GGG. You're not willing to do that about Round 11. If you are not willing to budge then I challenge you to a time stamp summary duel of Round 11.

 

Amazing, simply amazing

 

Lets see if Q will answer my challenge for a duel over Round 11. In the past he showed a willingness to duel over Round 6. Round 6 was a tougher sell for GGG winning it than Round 11 but that didn't stop Q from fighting hard over Round 6 despite being the only one who thought GGG won that. It's very difficult for him to win this debate over Round 11 though because he's gone way beyond just making a case that GGG won the round, he's arguing essentially that Round 11 of the rematch was not even close and that it's so clear of a GGG round that it's crazy for anyone to even consider scoring it to Canelo. Any objective viewer who studies this round close can see how even it was, so he comes across as delusional and insane to try argue this as a no doubt about it GGG round.

So it's much easier for me than him because all I have to do is prove that it's close but by the end I'll make it clear that Canelo deserved to win the round with how he took over down the stretch by citing the timestamps of the clean power punches that Canelo landed down the stretch and comparing those to his cited punches from GGG early on. When comparing the punches, it's really no comparison. Canelo's punches were cleaner, harder, heavier than GGG's that round. And unlike many others rounds, the total punches in Round 11 were even, so this wasn't a round that Canelo had to overcome being out landed by landing huge shots just to argue he could win the round. The huge power shots here should have won him the round, since unlike many other rounds, in this round the total punches were even.

 

You're still using compubox in your argument. I don't care what compubox says because everyone with sense knows it's actually horse **** and inaccurate as ****.

And I've watched round 11 back one or two hours ago and have watched this fight numerous times now. Your claim and persistence that round 11 was very close is absolute nonsense, when I get time to I will timestamp it because that's just a load of bs (it takes a while) .. You reach a lot Shadow but this is going into the realms beyond what can be imagined. You emphasise everything Canelo does so there is no surprises there.

Give me a a few hours /days and I'll timestamp. I know it'll be futile because you'll just under emphasise everything Golokvin throws and over emphasise every Canelo throws even if it doesn't land.

And no I've never said round 12 was a toss up.. It was a relatively close, competitive but clear win for Golovkin.