Mike Tyson had a better career than Larry Holmes.

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  1. Cojimar 1946

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    Tyson lost to the best of his own era. That hurts any argument for top 10.
     
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  2. mr. magoo

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    What about it
     
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  3. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No, he has 3 prime losses-Douglas and Holyfield (2x)

    Tyson also missed out on numerous dangerous opponents
    Riddick Bowe
    Ray Mercer
    Tim Witherspoon
    Oliver McCall
    Michael Dokes
    David Tua
    etc
    He also could have fought Lennox Lewis earlier when he was still close to his peak.

    I don't think Ruddock was Tyson's most dangerous opponent in 1991. Holyfield and Witherspoon were probably both bigger threats and Mercer as well due to his durability.
     
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  4. NoNeck

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    I think it’s too convenient to say Holmes couldn’t have fought Dokes when there was roughly a six year period for it to happen and they didn’t have rival promoters.
     
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  5. NoNeck

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    Nice try.
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

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    One of the most underrated posters on this forum. He's one of the best here imo (along with yourself).
     
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  7. Bokaj

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    He beat the highly ranked Young and got a shot. That's the fact of the matter. You know the kind of thing you claim to be in to.
     
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  8. NoNeck

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    Young—Ocasio was basically a high level cruiserweight match. It worked out well for Ocasio since Young couldn’t crack.

    He was basically the Adilson Rodriguez of Holmes’ time, but Rodriguez wasn’t worth an afterthought to Tyson.
     
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  9. Glass City Cobra

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    I read your post. You said Thomas was not on heroin until after he fought Tyson. This is incorrect and I proved it in the link I had posted.

    You said Biggs stopped using coke early in his career. This is also false. If you had bothered to click on the link you'd see that Biggs was on coke during his pro debut.

    Kindly shut the **** up and admit you were wrong.
     
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  10. mr. magoo

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    That wasn’t his choice.
     
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  11. NoNeck

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    I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and assumed we all knew something about Biggs and Thomas.

    Biggs put the coke away early in his career, which is exactly what you’ve confirmed here, so I’m not sure why you’re so uppity.

    It is widely known that Thomas used heroin as a teen, but gave it up when he got into boxing. He didn’t go back to it until Tyson beat the **** out of him. (Source: The book with interviews of past Tyson opponents.)

    Minimizing the worth of Biggs and Thomas as Tyson’s opponents due to past drug is nonsense as far as I’m aware. They were clean.
     
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  12. NoNeck

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    It’s more of Dempsey—Wills situation than Kbros not fighting each other argument.

    Besides, the argument I’m making doesn’t hinge on it. After getting a title, the biggest perceived threats were Weaver, Cooney, Tate, Page, Coetzee, Dokes, title holder version of Spoon, and especially Thomas. Holmes clocks in at 2/8. That’s pattern behavior.
     
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  13. Unforgiven

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    Ocasio beat Young, who beat Foreman and narrowly lost (disputed) to Norton.
    Ocasio rematch Young and beat him.

    Ocasio was qualified to challenge Holmes.

    Certainly as qualified as Biggs was to challenge Tyson.
     
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  14. Unforgiven

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    You're wrong.
    Holmes fought several of the best of his era.
     
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  15. Glass City Cobra

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    And if you bothered clicking on the link you'd see Biggs struggled with drugs throughout his entire career. The idea he stopped after his debut and was 100% clean leading up to the Tyson fight is false. His trainers were constantly getting on his case and monitoring his moves to make sure he didn't go on a binge. Other people have pointed this out to you and you ignored it.

    You're an idiot.
     
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