I just spent 4 HOURS watchin GGG - CANELO 2 at 0.25 speed, TOTAL punch stats + unique punch scoring.

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  1. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    i'd pay to watch you and Cj in a live debate.
    you're both trying so hard and in vain to rewrite history, because you can't bear to see your favourite fighter being remembered for less than what you actually give him credit for.
     
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  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rewrite history? Canelo won the rematch, I'm not the one here trying to rewrite history. The ones arguing that GGG won either match are the ones trying to rewrite history.
     
  3. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    you dont understand.
    you spend hours on here trying to convince people that floyd didn't school canelo.
    you only do it because you're mexican and you haven't learnt how to temper that 'pang of patriotism' that doesn't let you put things into context and tell you that none of this matters in the real world.

    if you weren't mexican, you wouldn't give a ****.
     
  4. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Some posters only know they are supposed to hate whomever their fave hates. :lol: So they invent silly reason to hate fighters... it's crazy.
     
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  5. Aussie Invader

    Aussie Invader Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    i want to find out how honest he wants to be.
    he KNOWS he's biased, because when i asked him one time if he was mexican he used misdirection to avoid answering the question.

    so i'm just wondering how much in denial he is.
    i know he can't say it, and that's ridiculous because everyone else knows it already.
     
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  6. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    Didn’t read.

    :SimpHomer:
     
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  7. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Round 11 - GGG Canelo2
    @shadow111

    GGG

    2:52 lands jabs, looks to land right hand but Canelo Rolls
    2:50 unclear from the angle but possible right hand lands then a possible uppercut
    2:28 Very quick counter right GGG
    2:24 Jab midsection
    2:20 Jab
    2:12 Jab
    2:07 Left Jab/hook as Canelo moving away
    2:03 Jab (only one that clearly lands, GGG leans back)
    1:45 Jab then right hand, Canelo punches arm/elbow then receives another jab
    1:42 left hook, not really grounded and whilst semi in a clinch
    1:38 jab,
    right hand behind guard
    jab
    jab
    left hook
    1:26 Jab
    1:08 Light jab and possible uppercut
    0:59 right hand possibly lands here
    0:53 Jab
    0:35 jab
    0:25 left hook then Canelo does a little stumble (OMG BIG MOMENT?!?!? )
    0:17 jab
    Last 15 another jab

    Canelo
    2:47 left hook on shoulder/arm
    2:43 nothing lands
    2:22 lands on shoulder
    1:57 inside glove slap to the neck
    1:30 appears to land on gloves and can't see whether what Canelo throws below lands
    1:26 didnt land
    1:23 right hand/hook
    1:10 light jab
    1:02 punches elbow, slap behind back of the head then swing and miss
    0:40 right hook, GGG rolls with somehwat
    0:34 unclear if landed
    0:20 right uppercut on shoulder/upper chest
    last 15 two right hands.

    Concede. Golovkin landed significantly more cleaner + heavier punches. Canelo did next to nothing in terms of landed punches in the first two minutes and it's only in the last 45 seconds that there is some clean punches from Canelo. But even then it's not enough. Absolutely dominant round from Golovkin. Canelo landed two nice clean right hands near the end, but it was nowhere near enough. Concede.

    And just to bear in mind if you're going to call out scuff punches from Canelo or inside slaps from Canelo as clean punches do not bother because then it becomes a pointless exercise of me calling what is there in reality and you twisting it to support your biased agenda.

    Absolute dominant round from Golovkin. Again, concede. If this is a very close round then for you then what that says is you have a very very clear bias for Canelo.. Which we already know you have
     
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  8. FastSmith7

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    ROUND 11
    2:50 - GGG right over the top, 1 point
    2:47 - GGG uppercut, 2 points
    2:47 - Canelo uppercut, 1 point
    2:29 - GGG right counter, 3 points
    2:23 - GGG jab to the body, 4 points
    2:19 - GGG jab, 5 points
    2:14 - GGG jab, 6 points
    2:13 - GGG right, 7 points
    2:12 - Canelo jab, 2 points
    2:12 - GGG jab, 8 points
    2:07 - GGG jab, 9 points
    2:04 - GGG jab, 10 points
    2:03, Canelo jab, 3 points
    2:03 - GGG jab, 11 points
    2:01 - Canelo jab, 4 points
    1:56 - Canelo check hook, 5 points
    1:45 - GGG jab, 12 points
    1:44 - GGG lovely right hand, 14 points
    1:44 - Canelo uppercut to the body, 7 points
    1:43 - GGG jab, 15 points
    1:41 - GGG hook on the break, 16 points
    1:40 - Canelo nice right, 9 points
    1:38 - GGG jab, 17 points
    1:38 - GGG lovely left hook, 20 points - Could have been an 8 pointer as it hurt Canelo
    1:36 - GGG jab, 21 points
    1:36 - GGG jab, 22 points
    1:35 - GGG hook on the ear, partially blocked 24 points
    1:30 - GGG jab, 25 points
    1:28 - Canelo right hook, 11 points
    1:28 - Canelo body shot, 13 points
    1:27 - GGG jab, 26 points
    1:23 - Canelo uppercut 15 points
    1:23 - Canelo good right hand, 18 points
    1:13 - Canelo partial land, 19 points
    1:10 - Canelo jab, 20 points
    1:07 - GGG jab, 27 points
    1:07 - GGG partial uppercut, 28 points
    1:05 - Canelo grazing right 21 points
    0:58 - GGG jab, 29 points
    0:52 - GGG jab, 30 points
    0:48 - GGG jab, 31 points
    0:41 - GGG uppercut, 33 points
    0:40 - Canelo partial hook, 23 points
    0:35 - GGG jab, 34 points
    0:34 - Canelo good hook, not sure if it landed but I'll give that o him, 25 points
    0:24 - GGG left hook, 37 points
    0:20 - GGG jab, 38 points
    0:19 - Canelo body shot, 27 points
    0:17 - GGG jab, 39 points
    0:15 - Canelo right hand, 30 points
    0:12 - Canelo right, not as impressive, 32 points
    0:00 - 0:10 - Canelo jab and hook, 36 points
    GGG jab, 40 points

    Could have easily been 45 points for Golovkin because of the 1:38 punch
     
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  9. shadow111

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    After just rewatching it again, the reason why all 3 judges scored the 11th round in the rematch to GGG was because of body language and Canelo looking fatigued in the first half of the round. GGG landed combinations in this round and at one point got a big reaction from the crowd with Canelo taking some punches in succession and momentarily looking discouraged. GGG also landed a great left hook late in the round.

    But in between these moments of offense for GGG, and when you thought GGG was starting to take control of the round, Canelo started battling back and GGG became more fatigued. Towards the end of the round GGG was breathing hard and Canelo just outworked GGG down the stretch landing clean punches. Also after rewatching the round, it was clear why Compubox had GGG with a super low % of jabs. Unlike in many of the other rounds, where GGG was landing jabs and many of his fans were arguing that GGG's jabs were why he won the fight, you can't say that about Round 11. Because Canelo was so tired early on in this round, he kept a tighter guard and he was picking off GGG jabs. So this was a round that GGG did not control Canelo with his jab. All that happened was Canelo looked tired early on and GGG had a handful of good moments of landing punches in succession. But outside of these brief moments of GGG offense, Canelo landed more clean power punches and landed several well placed shots in the late stages of the round. Including a uppercut to the heart and some clean shots to the head at the very end of the round.

    GGG won this round because he had the bigger moments that got the crowd reaction and Canelo did look fatigued for much of the round, but if you judge it based on who landed more clean punches, those were landed by Canelo, and if you consider how ineffective GGG was with the jab this round, Canelo landed more quality shots than GGG, but it was very close as GGG did have some big moments. So I can totally understand why people scored this round for GGG, on ring generalship, and in this round I think you can even make the argument of effective aggression from GGG, but Canelo's great blocking of jabs this round plus his relentlessness and warrior sprirt in the 2nd half of the round when you thought the round was lost in the middle of the round, but then seeing Canelo battle back and landing that uppercut to the heart and land those clean one-twos on GGG in between GGG's work, seeing GGG tire and get hit with those kind of shots, Canelo stole that round.

    To understand how debatable this round is and how fans see it differently, read through the comments in this video :

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    You will see a heated debate about who really deserved to win this round.

    See comment by Raul Figueroa :
    "Wow, the commentary was horrendous . GGG was definitely winning the first minute but then Canelo really began pushing GGG back and stole that round."

    Response by Evorg :
    "What? Are you ****ing blind....GGG dominated Canelo clearly in this round. Wtf is wrong with you people..."

    Response by Raul Figueroa :
    "Look, I’m just a boxing fan. No horse in this race. Actually both these guys are some of my favorite fighters. I just don’t see the dominance you speak. GGG had real strong first minute, minute 15 seconds but he really looked gassed the remainder of the round with Canelo landing some nice right hands, left hooks and pushed GGG back. Some real heavy breathing from GGG is this round. If it makes you feel better all three judges gave this round to GGG. It was a close round, like all 24 others. I think Canelo responded well in my opinion."

    Carlos Enriquez :
    "Canelo won the fight hands down"


    Comment by SWEET BABY :
    "ANOTHER HUGE CANELO ROUND......SMH"

    Comment by Evorg :
    "GGG dominated this clown..."

    Response by Carlos Enriquez :
    " tf fight did you watch"

    So as you can see we have plenty of people in the comments who think this round was close or that Canelo won it.
     
  10. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Too much time on your hands lol
     
  11. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Honestly, you have no idea what you're watching or talking about read my above post.. I'm done with debating you, you're just an irreconcilable fanboy. Your interpretation of the round is just flat out wrong.

    I knew I shouldn't have bothered even time stamping because like you did before you emphasise **** that doesn't happen .. And you just generally make plain wrong judgements
     
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  12. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    well, if Sweet Baby says it was Canelo's, it MUST be true.... :lol:
     
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  13. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have no doubts Shadow just started watching boxing when he discovered Canelo.
     
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  14. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    First of all GGG landed many jabs in round 11 (many of which were power jabs) . And he landed equal if not more heavier power shots (right hands, left hooks) .

    Secondly, Canelo landed 2 or 3 good right hands, you're neglecting the 3 or 4 good right hands (and heavier.. Slap sound does not equal power ) from GGG in addition to the jab. Canelo did not land more clean punches come on man have some respect

    Thirdly, what the hell are you on about re the youtube comments. Youtube is full of r e t a r d s (as is this forum)

    In summary, your obviously poor biased assessment of round 11 makes your entire opinion on either fights null.
     
  15. DynamicMoves

    DynamicMoves Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Rewatched the 11th since it was posted. Clear GGG round.
     
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