What is the fixation of weight on the heavyweights of the past?

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  1. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    What is the fixation of weight on the heavyweights of the past? Do we like blubbery looking fighters that much? Is the modern nutrition special diet(Steroids) that important today? At least the fighters of yesteryear were in shape, they looked it.
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    If ever you could get rid of illegal practices fighters would go back to shorter careers and a lighter weight. We could make fair comparisons between eras too.
     
  3. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    They looked like fighters back then Richard. Either blobs or bodybuilders now.
     
  4. Kamikaze

    Kamikaze Bye for now! banned Full Member

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    LOL Okay no. They were less muscular, less weight lifting and protein does that but there were no shortage of fatties.
     
  5. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I definitely miss the days when heavyweights were smaller and had more mobility. Thankfully we still have some guys that still fit that bill like Uysk but I respectfully disagree with the notion that these guys today are not in good shape or are bad athletes.

    If you look across the board in most sports athletes are bigger now and in a most of cases every bit as athletic. The NFL and MLB athletes in particular have really grown over the last 30 years or so. Even none athletes are bigger now likely because of all the crap that is on our food today. Of course there are some folks that use steroids but I can tell you that the younger guys at the gym I fight at are all super diet and workout conscious unlike when I was competing in the 80's/early 90's when most of the trainers didn't want us lifting weights because they thought it made us slower.

    There is simply more information for guys today related to nutrition and strength and conditioning but I do think the draw back is fighters are not focusing on building their boxing skill set as much as they tryimg to gain a physical edge.
     
  6. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Absolutely agree!

    Making broad statements about how today's heavyweights are nothing but a bunch of untrained fatties, who gas after 6 or 7 rounds... it's just ridiculous! Obviously an agenda-driven attempt to "prove", how much boxing has devolved over the past decades.
     
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  7. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yup, Galento sure looked like the epitomy of being in shape :rolleyes::risas3:
     
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  8. Fergy

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    No there weren't as many fatties. Unless you count two Ton Tony.
     
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  9. Kamikaze

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    Most looked soft then, but actually yeah not many I need to take back my words.
     
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  10. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I think that stage where they really started looking porky was the late 70 s. Then by the time they hit the alphabet boys.. Well then we saw some real blubber boys.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    There's a "fixation" with their weights because of the proliferation of fantasy matches at heavyweight.

    Most people feel that weight being a sizeable advantage (a good big one beats a good little one) that the heavier fighter is generally to be favoured when no style or class advantage exists. There surely are a nugget of folks though who treat heavyweights almost as if they are a weight class, like bantamweight, where all competitors are approximately the same size. This causes a flashpoint, where many people argue about something that both sides consider to be an absolute key to victory - size mattering on the one hand and size not mattering that much on the other.

    Because smaller heavyweights usually have size victories over fighters over whom they have style/class advantages, this muddies the water further.

    Added to which, the heavyweight is the division most likely to attract comment, and to attract the comment of casual fans, and you have your reasons for fixation.
     
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  12. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I like your comment on," a heavier fighter is favored when no style or class advantage exists", That is spot on. It's why I've always said Marciano could never beat say a George Foreman since Rocky has zero style or class advantages. But look at the Duran Barkley fight, physically Duran had no business in the ring with him but he was a class above Iran with an advantage in his boxing style. Good one.
     
  13. Gazelle Punch

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    There is a point where size is irrelevant in the sport. It’s a matter of what you think that size is. Most heavyweight champions were below 200 pounds I believe so it kind of clashes w the size queens arguments. I think a 180 pound man is capable of knocking out anyone. Steroids have made it possible for men to put on a lot more functional mass. So who knows what men of yesteryear would have weighed today. Weights important so long as it’s functional. It’s only functional today due to PEDS
     
  14. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    What ever happened to good old fashioned work?, the world today has become lazy, entitled. Young athletes are given allowances by their doting parents, not in my day they did not. You were given the necessities, a roof over your head, clothes on your back, food on the table, seeing a doctor, etc. If I wanted spending money, I worked for it, What does it have to do with illegal substances?, the modern fighters are very spoiled, hard work might give them hives, as they were never made to work. I was not born yesterday, not all people grow to Empire State Building proportions without medical assistance called Steroids or as the younger crowd likes to call it, modern nutrition, modern training methods, my big toe. Years ago fighters had a purpose, poverty was a big purpose. Not impressed, some nowadays appear in need of a xxx sized female bra, that to me is unnatural. Then later in life, those juice users end up with heart disease and cancer, is it worth it?
     
  15. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    I like your post but I have seen good little men with skill defeat these Jolly Green Giants. If you have skill and desire, that is what matters. Some Giants appear quite clumsy.
     
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