What is the fixation of weight on the heavyweights of the past?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Richard M Murrieta, Jun 23, 2021.


  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    This is ludicrous and anyone who likes it is a moron.

    Fighters don't choose to be cruisers. They understand that it represents their limit of competitiveness at an elite level. They could increase their paydays by a magnitude by competing with the big boys.
     
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  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Rational as always…
     
  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    a fair point. As you say there is no easy answer. Perhaps cruiserweight could be 175-225 to accommodate the fully grown fighters and simply called HW? I don’t see why HW in the pros cant have a 25lb larger range than it does in the Olympics. So long as it’s not called CW.. SHW could be 225 and over for the pros.

    They are now. Heavyweights are successful below 225. The division they are in just has the wrong name.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    So much work just so you can fantasise about being able to say "Rocky Marciano would be a heavyweight today" :lol:

    There's absolutely nothing wrong with the divisions the way they are. Deontay Wilder, a puncher, has had huge success weighing in between 200 and 225. Oleksander Usyk, a boxer, is one of heavyweight's top contenders and vies for a top 3 slot in his next contest. Michael Hunter gatecrashed the top 10 weighing in under 225 throughout, I think, maybe one fight barely over. These guys do fine.

    Meanwhile Cruiserweight has been a huge financial and fistic success. In the 2000s it was arguably the best division - in the entire decade. Stacked with guys who all fought each other in great fights.

    Great setup. Wonderful stuff. Produced great, great fights at the 200 limit and loads of interesting smaller contenders at heavyweight, from Chris Byrd to Mike Tyson to Deontay Wilder, it's been wonderful.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    The last thing, the very very very last thing, literally the final thing this sport needs is five more "heavyweight champions". I'd prefer Bridgerweight to a Heavyweight/Super-Heavyweight arrangement and I mean that.
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    In your opinion it makes more champions. But that’s NOT what I suggested at all.

    when light middleweight became super welterweight nobody cared a hoot.

    it’s a name change.
     
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  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I think it’s a pity they were not recognised as the heavyweights they are.
     
  8. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    It is just that any range below an unlimited class that is anything like 50 lbs. is far too much to properly match people.
    To be fair to all-especially those who would have a huge disadvantage outweighed by such a large percentage-& compare heart will & mainly skills, we must have folks who are not so far separated in weight. Anything else distorts fair competition.

    i said there are not many HWs below the 220's doing much in the pros...You changed it to below 225.
    Tell me who you had in mind. I'll bet they are overwhelmingly in the 220's, with a smattering between 215-220.
    Rarely any lighter, but all more likely if they are young.
    Although Wilder was not, at his skinniest he was 212 & a 1/2 at 6' 7". Possible largely because he has no legs...
     
  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I had the entire cruiserweight division in mind plus any heavyweight who might comfortably make 220...which no doubt might include a lot of the heavyweights who enhance their weight anyway.
     
  10. McGrain

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    People still call light-middleweight light-middleweight.
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    How about light welter. What do some call it nowadays then?
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    choklab, wtf are you on about?
     
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  13. Surrix

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    Only if bridger will be 200-224 and cruiser will remain with 200 lbs limit.

    I can imagine what had happened recently if cruiser had weight in limit 190 lbs not 200 lbs.
    Usyk never had been undisputed, CW boxers with limit 190 lbs most likely had to deal with the same Briedis ( his am adults division KBers weight in confirms that he was able to make 190 lbs, looks that even with the same day weight ins ) etc like things.
     
  14. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Even boxrec call light welter, super lightweight now. The name “light welter” was phased out. Officially by some governing bodies. There was no quibble about that was there?

    That’s exactly what I am on about.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    I have no idea why this matters, but yes, people still call "light welterweight", "light welteriweght".

    You can uncover this absolute wonder for yourself by typing "light welterweight" into your google machine and hitting return (or enter) an then clicking on "news", it's amazing.
     
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